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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10954/take-a-deep-breath-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53476</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So far all the Presidential candidates are avoiding this trap.
I hope they can keep it up and compete on the quality of their ideas and ability to persuade.&quot;

I guess there&#039;s a chance all candidates will live up to this. However, I&#039;m not so sure that all candidates would critizise their own followers when they smear opponents. Bush&#039;s reaction on the swiftboating of Kerry left a lot to be desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So far all the Presidential candidates are avoiding this trap.<br />
I hope they can keep it up and compete on the quality of their ideas and ability to persuade.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s a chance all candidates will live up to this. However, I&#8217;m not so sure that all candidates would critizise their own followers when they smear opponents. Bush&#8217;s reaction on the swiftboating of Kerry left a lot to be desired.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Silver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10954/take-a-deep-breath-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53466</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am attracted to candidates who can make distinctions between themselves and opponents without resorting to name calling, meanness and stereotypes.

So far all the Presidential candidates are avoiding this trap.
I hope they can keep it up and compete on the quality of their ideas and ability to persuade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am attracted to candidates who can make distinctions between themselves and opponents without resorting to name calling, meanness and stereotypes.</p>
<p>So far all the Presidential candidates are avoiding this trap.<br />
I hope they can keep it up and compete on the quality of their ideas and ability to persuade.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10954/take-a-deep-breath-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53435</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerstein is a huge fan of triangulation. He wants candidates to offer something for everyone, to not alienate any possible voter. This has worked in the Lieberman campaign, when the alternatives were an usupported, not very attractive republican candidate, and an inexperienced liberal candidate, whose campaign effectively stalled after the primairies. John F. Kerry is the example what happens to this strategy when it&#039;s used against an outspoken, resolute candidate with lots of support: The challenger, who abstained from personal attacks and didn&#039;t provide a clear cut image of his stance, looks like a spineless creature. Voters are disgusted by slimy candidates who are unwilling to make a stand. 

Gerstein is totally wrong. Using &#039;his&#039; strategy would result in the same desaster as 2004. Don&#039;t let moronic consultants ruin this campaign again! The vote 2008 is too important to leave it to elitist beltway pundits!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerstein is a huge fan of triangulation. He wants candidates to offer something for everyone, to not alienate any possible voter. This has worked in the Lieberman campaign, when the alternatives were an usupported, not very attractive republican candidate, and an inexperienced liberal candidate, whose campaign effectively stalled after the primairies. John F. Kerry is the example what happens to this strategy when it&#8217;s used against an outspoken, resolute candidate with lots of support: The challenger, who abstained from personal attacks and didn&#8217;t provide a clear cut image of his stance, looks like a spineless creature. Voters are disgusted by slimy candidates who are unwilling to make a stand. </p>
<p>Gerstein is totally wrong. Using &#8216;his&#8217; strategy would result in the same desaster as 2004. Don&#8217;t let moronic consultants ruin this campaign again! The vote 2008 is too important to leave it to elitist beltway pundits!</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10954/take-a-deep-breath-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53424</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 04:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CaseL - Welcome to TMV, you won&#039;t find this to be like BJ. Many Darrells have taken over the debate. Welcome to the &quot;Axis of Weevils&quot;;).

MF - You didn&#039;t deabte the issues of CL, just a &#039;cut and paste&#039; excersize isn&#039;t debate. The another Lefty is a LGF tactic. As they say at BJ, &quot;I like pie&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CaseL &#8211; Welcome to TMV, you won&#8217;t find this to be like BJ. Many Darrells have taken over the debate. Welcome to the &#8220;Axis of Weevils&#8221;;).</p>
<p>MF &#8211; You didn&#8217;t deabte the issues of CL, just a &#8216;cut and paste&#8217; excersize isn&#8217;t debate. The another Lefty is a LGF tactic. As they say at BJ, &#8220;I like pie&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelF</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CaseyL said: 
February 16, 2007 at 6:44 pm

The vile attacks on her - threats of rape and murder - prove her point.

Her anger is justifiable. 


  

The frenzies whipped up by the Right - to sell a war, to slander and smear political opposition, to peddle insane religious beliefs as the only legitimate ones - is NOT justifiable


  Here we go again ! Another lefty claims it&#039;s ok for me but no for thee .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CaseyL said:<br />
February 16, 2007 at 6:44 pm</p>
<p>The vile attacks on her &#8211; threats of rape and murder &#8211; prove her point.</p>
<p>Her anger is justifiable. </p>
<p>The frenzies whipped up by the Right &#8211; to sell a war, to slander and smear political opposition, to peddle insane religious beliefs as the only legitimate ones &#8211; is NOT justifiable</p>
<p>  Here we go again ! Another lefty claims it&#8217;s ok for me but no for thee .</p>
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		<title>By: CaseyL</title>
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		<dc:creator>CaseyL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your thesis is inaccurate.  Polarization and inflammatory rhetoric work very well:  in this instance, it achieved exactly the result Malkin and Donohue wanted.  

Further, those tactics worked a treat over the last 6 years to intimidate opposition, frame issues and define candidates, short-circuit debate and escape oversight... all to the benefit of George Bush and the GOP.

The people now complaining about polarization and inflammatory rhetoric are, oddly enough, the same people who engaged in little else while they were riding high.

I agree that it&#039;s no way to run a functioning democracy.  But American democracy is not functioning.  The &#039;public interest&#039; is a concept that Bush, the GOP, and their supporters in RW blogs mocked and undermined for, lo, these many years.  Americans are tired of polarization and inflammatory rhetoric &lt;i&gt;that is a ruse, that is a distraction, that is a lie; that undermines our nation and its citizenry.&lt;/i&gt;  

Here&#039;s what people who criticize Marcotte can&#039;t seem to comprehend:  the issues she cares deeply about - women&#039;s issues, poverty issues - &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; been under constant assault for the last 6 years.  She is angry because violent and vicious bigotry, misogyny, racism, bigotry, and religious-based hatred and ignorance &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; become not only acceptable points of view again, but also become acceptable bases for personal behavior and public policy.  The vile attacks on her - threats of rape and murder - &lt;b&gt;prove her point.&lt;/b&gt;

Her anger is justifiable.  

The frenzies whipped up by the Right - to sell a war, to slander and smear political opposition, to peddle insane religious beliefs as the only legitimate ones - is NOT justifiable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your thesis is inaccurate.  Polarization and inflammatory rhetoric work very well:  in this instance, it achieved exactly the result Malkin and Donohue wanted.  </p>
<p>Further, those tactics worked a treat over the last 6 years to intimidate opposition, frame issues and define candidates, short-circuit debate and escape oversight&#8230; all to the benefit of George Bush and the GOP.</p>
<p>The people now complaining about polarization and inflammatory rhetoric are, oddly enough, the same people who engaged in little else while they were riding high.</p>
<p>I agree that it&#8217;s no way to run a functioning democracy.  But American democracy is not functioning.  The &#8216;public interest&#8217; is a concept that Bush, the GOP, and their supporters in RW blogs mocked and undermined for, lo, these many years.  Americans are tired of polarization and inflammatory rhetoric <i>that is a ruse, that is a distraction, that is a lie; that undermines our nation and its citizenry.</i>  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what people who criticize Marcotte can&#8217;t seem to comprehend:  the issues she cares deeply about &#8211; women&#8217;s issues, poverty issues &#8211; <i>have</i> been under constant assault for the last 6 years.  She is angry because violent and vicious bigotry, misogyny, racism, bigotry, and religious-based hatred and ignorance <i>have</i> become not only acceptable points of view again, but also become acceptable bases for personal behavior and public policy.  The vile attacks on her &#8211; threats of rape and murder &#8211; <b>prove her point.</b></p>
<p>Her anger is justifiable.  </p>
<p>The frenzies whipped up by the Right &#8211; to sell a war, to slander and smear political opposition, to peddle insane religious beliefs as the only legitimate ones &#8211; is NOT justifiable.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, Holly. I dislike all of it. I never visit Little Green Footballs, for example. Charles Johnson himself isn&#039;t particularly bad, but his commenters are terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, Holly. I dislike all of it. I never visit Little Green Footballs, for example. Charles Johnson himself isn&#8217;t particularly bad, but his commenters are terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat, you might want to look around - language and hostlity like that is all over the blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat, you might want to look around &#8211; language and hostlity like that is all over the blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: bellisaurius</title>
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		<dc:creator>bellisaurius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to say something about commercialism and ads driving blogs into creating segmented, focused audiences, but I don&#039;t think that happens for most blogs, just the A and B listers.   

I do, however, find something more subtle. To whit: I like my audience (small as it is). If I put something up, and I get a lot of good feedback or discussion, I tend to do it again. Now, hold that thought as I move on to another for a moment. I tend to post in someone else&#039;s blog when something really strikes my fancy, or hits a nerve. I don&#039;t like to do &#039;nod&#039; posts, so there&#039;s a natural distribution toward posts where either I have strong feelings on some grounds, or where I think there&#039;s a really cool point to be made/idea to bounced. 

Combining those two ideas, I think it&#039;s natural to see people getting  extreme posts pushing them in a direction(One sees it here even. moderate extremeism. Who&#039;d a thunk it). I think, given the first point of human nature, a blogger has a desire to feed that, and thereby ends up being more extreme than they may have intended. The end result is what we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to say something about commercialism and ads driving blogs into creating segmented, focused audiences, but I don&#8217;t think that happens for most blogs, just the A and B listers.   </p>
<p>I do, however, find something more subtle. To whit: I like my audience (small as it is). If I put something up, and I get a lot of good feedback or discussion, I tend to do it again. Now, hold that thought as I move on to another for a moment. I tend to post in someone else&#8217;s blog when something really strikes my fancy, or hits a nerve. I don&#8217;t like to do &#8216;nod&#8217; posts, so there&#8217;s a natural distribution toward posts where either I have strong feelings on some grounds, or where I think there&#8217;s a really cool point to be made/idea to bounced. </p>
<p>Combining those two ideas, I think it&#8217;s natural to see people getting  extreme posts pushing them in a direction(One sees it here even. moderate extremeism. Who&#8217;d a thunk it). I think, given the first point of human nature, a blogger has a desire to feed that, and thereby ends up being more extreme than they may have intended. The end result is what we have.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, her &quot;apology&quot; was blatantly insincere when she made it, and she has since clearly recanted it, judging by her post-resignation posts. Ms. Marcotte consistently and regularly used vile, extremely offensive language and intentionally insulted a wide swath of this country. I have no sorrow to feel for her, she brought this all on herself with her open displays of bigotry and stereotyping.

Of course, she doesn&#039;t deserve death threats in response, and I condemn anyone who made any death threats against her, but her hostility to mainstream Christians, and frankly to men, render her utterly unsuitable for a position of responsibility in a presidential campaign. She should never have been hired by Senator Edwards to begin with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, her &#8220;apology&#8221; was blatantly insincere when she made it, and she has since clearly recanted it, judging by her post-resignation posts. Ms. Marcotte consistently and regularly used vile, extremely offensive language and intentionally insulted a wide swath of this country. I have no sorrow to feel for her, she brought this all on herself with her open displays of bigotry and stereotyping.</p>
<p>Of course, she doesn&#8217;t deserve death threats in response, and I condemn anyone who made any death threats against her, but her hostility to mainstream Christians, and frankly to men, render her utterly unsuitable for a position of responsibility in a presidential campaign. She should never have been hired by Senator Edwards to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Silver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10954/take-a-deep-breath-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53365</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is too bad when thoughtful people resort to distracting inflammatory language. I readily admit my shallowness that if someone&#039;s style and presentation is offensive I tend to tune out their message. It is a sign of sophistication to me if someone can make their point without namecalling.

I hope TMV upholds a high standard of civility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too bad when thoughtful people resort to distracting inflammatory language. I readily admit my shallowness that if someone&#8217;s style and presentation is offensive I tend to tune out their message. It is a sign of sophistication to me if someone can make their point without namecalling.</p>
<p>I hope TMV upholds a high standard of civility.</p>
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