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	<title>Comments on: Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Infidel</title>
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		<title>By: Arab Women and &#8216;Desperate Housewives&#8217; &#124; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arab Women and &#8216;Desperate Housewives&#8217; &#124; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rovito, a women&#8217;s rights advocate, notes in a Philadelphia Daily News op-ed piece that NOW also has missed the boat on the saga of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born author who has fled to the U.S. from Holland, whom Michael van der Galien has blogged about here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rovito, a women&#8217;s rights advocate, notes in a Philadelphia Daily News op-ed piece that NOW also has missed the boat on the saga of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born author who has fled to the U.S. from Holland, whom Michael van der Galien has blogged about here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10895/ayaan-hirsi-ali-infidel/comment-page-1/#comment-53025</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..do you or do you not believe that God must adhere to reason since He canâ€™t contradict himself? &quot;
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There are contradictory messages in the Bible.
I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a question of whether a religion is ingerently  based on reason.  It&#039;s a question of whether the religion is presented in a reasonable way by its spokespeople.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..do you or do you not believe that God must adhere to reason since He canâ€™t contradict himself? &#8221;<br />
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There are contradictory messages in the Bible.<br />
I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a question of whether a religion is ingerently  based on reason.  It&#8217;s a question of whether the religion is presented in a reasonable way by its spokespeople.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have added:  This concept is controversial among psychologists, and it&#039;s suspected that the political bias of researchers influences their perceptions of political attitudes of others.

Still, at heart I think it&#039;s right on.  My own reasons for supporting Hillary have less to do with her views and more to do with her speaking style and her appearance, which has changed greatly from her &#039;92 campaign &quot;frumpy librarian&quot; look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have added:  This concept is controversial among psychologists, and it&#8217;s suspected that the political bias of researchers influences their perceptions of political attitudes of others.</p>
<p>Still, at heart I think it&#8217;s right on.  My own reasons for supporting Hillary have less to do with her views and more to do with her speaking style and her appearance, which has changed greatly from her &#8216;92 campaign &#8220;frumpy librarian&#8221; look.</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10895/ayaan-hirsi-ali-infidel/comment-page-1/#comment-52797</link>
		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 17:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a fantastic review! I&#039;d really like to read this book. 

It&#039;s available at &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289684/sr=1-1/qid=1171473478/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-7666301-7590542?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon&lt;/A&gt;. 

It has its own &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infidel:_The_Story_of_My_Enlightenment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Wikipedia&lt;/A&gt; page, loaded with further references at the end. 

And &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.simonsays.com/subs/excerpt.cfm?areaid=288&amp;isbn=074329503X&amp;type=7&amp;num=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Simon and Schuster&lt;/A&gt; has the first chapter posted online. Here&#039;s an except: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Even though we loved her stories, mostly we ignored my grandmother. She herded us around, much as she did the goats that she would tether to our tree, but we were more unruly. Stories and squabbles were our pastimes; I don&#039;t think I even saw a toy till I was eight and we had moved to Saudi Arabia. We pestered each other. Haweya and Mahad ganged up on me, or Haweya and I ganged up on Mahad. But my brother and I never did anything as a team. We hated each other. My grandmother always said this was because I was born just one year after Mahad: I stole Ma&#039;s lap from him.

We had no father, because our father was in prison.

I had no memory of him at all.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a fantastic review! I&#8217;d really like to read this book. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s available at <a HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Infidel-Ayaan-Hirsi-Ali/dp/0743289684/sr=1-1/qid=1171473478/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-7666301-7590542?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books" rel="nofollow">Amazon</a>. </p>
<p>It has its own <a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infidel:_The_Story_of_My_Enlightenment" rel="nofollow"> Wikipedia</a> page, loaded with further references at the end. </p>
<p>And <a HREF="http://www.simonsays.com/subs/excerpt.cfm?areaid=288&amp;isbn=074329503X&amp;type=7&amp;num=1" rel="nofollow">Simon and Schuster</a> has the first chapter posted online. Here&#8217;s an except: </p>
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Even though we loved her stories, mostly we ignored my grandmother. She herded us around, much as she did the goats that she would tether to our tree, but we were more unruly. Stories and squabbles were our pastimes; I don&#8217;t think I even saw a toy till I was eight and we had moved to Saudi Arabia. We pestered each other. Haweya and Mahad ganged up on me, or Haweya and I ganged up on Mahad. But my brother and I never did anything as a team. We hated each other. My grandmother always said this was because I was born just one year after Mahad: I stole Ma&#8217;s lap from him.</p>
<p>We had no father, because our father was in prison.</p>
<p>I had no memory of him at all.
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan G.: as I understand it that is not something psychologists agree on and it is quite criticized, that article as well from the NYT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan G.: as I understand it that is not something psychologists agree on and it is quite criticized, that article as well from the NYT.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Psychologists believe that a personâ€™s political ideology is derived primarily from personality characteristics and not from reason, as people like to believe (the New York Times had an article on that topic on Monday, I think). &lt;/blockquote&gt;That sounds very interesting, Alan G, I&#039;ll have to look for that article. My impression is that this is most likely true. We all like to think that our beliefs are rational but I definitely think we&#039;re oriented toward a particular perspective and philosophy by nature.

I agree with you on reason and faith (or Logos, as Pope Benedict refers to this). I assume that at least as practiced in the country of her birth, Hirsi Ali did not feel that there was an application of reason in the practice of Islam. And of course, that is the challenge that Benedict issued to Islamic leaders last fall: do you or do you not believe that God must adhere to reason since He can&#039;t contradict himself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Psychologists believe that a personâ€™s political ideology is derived primarily from personality characteristics and not from reason, as people like to believe (the New York Times had an article on that topic on Monday, I think). </p></blockquote>
<p>That sounds very interesting, Alan G, I&#8217;ll have to look for that article. My impression is that this is most likely true. We all like to think that our beliefs are rational but I definitely think we&#8217;re oriented toward a particular perspective and philosophy by nature.</p>
<p>I agree with you on reason and faith (or Logos, as Pope Benedict refers to this). I assume that at least as practiced in the country of her birth, Hirsi Ali did not feel that there was an application of reason in the practice of Islam. And of course, that is the challenge that Benedict issued to Islamic leaders last fall: do you or do you not believe that God must adhere to reason since He can&#8217;t contradict himself?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure that the &quot;world of faith&quot; and the &quot;world of reason&quot; are opposites, as she implies.  Or that the division between them is really clear.

Reason features prominently in the field of apologetics, which seeks to make rational arguments for a particular religious idea.  I can&#039;t speak for other faiths but this has been part of Christianity for centuries. 

Psychologists believe that a person&#039;s political ideology is derived primarily from personality characteristics and not from reason, as people like to believe (the New York Times had an article on that topic on Monday, I think).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the &#8220;world of faith&#8221; and the &#8220;world of reason&#8221; are opposites, as she implies.  Or that the division between them is really clear.</p>
<p>Reason features prominently in the field of apologetics, which seeks to make rational arguments for a particular religious idea.  I can&#8217;t speak for other faiths but this has been part of Christianity for centuries. </p>
<p>Psychologists believe that a person&#8217;s political ideology is derived primarily from personality characteristics and not from reason, as people like to believe (the New York Times had an article on that topic on Monday, I think).</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hehehehe, Mike!
:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hehehehe, Mike!<br />
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, around the globe gray? More like around the corner...

Talking about Europe: how is Schroder doing? I heard that Merkel is expected to win...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, around the globe gray? More like around the corner&#8230;</p>
<p>Talking about Europe: how is Schroder doing? I heard that Merkel is expected to win&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx for the info, Michael. Yup, I fumbled. This shows that I&#039;m not able to track all news developments around the globe. Damn, I guess I&#039;m only human, after all...
:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx for the info, Michael. Yup, I fumbled. This shows that I&#8217;m not able to track all news developments around the globe. Damn, I guess I&#8217;m only human, after all&#8230;<br />
 <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umh. She lives in America. Prolong her permit? Minister Verdonk said that she had to take away her Dutch identity. The government fell over this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umh. She lives in America. Prolong her permit? Minister Verdonk said that she had to take away her Dutch identity. The government fell over this.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t she in some problems right now because the government doesn&#039;t want to prolong her permit to stay in the Netherlands? It&#039;s scandalous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t she in some problems right now because the government doesn&#8217;t want to prolong her permit to stay in the Netherlands? It&#8217;s scandalous.</p>
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