Comments on: Shame http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:43:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: MichaelF http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-52099 MichaelF Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:29:15 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-52099 Sometimes, just sometimes, I am ashamed to be European. Well, atleast your not french :) Sometimes, just sometimes, I am ashamed to be European.

Well, atleast your not french

:)

]]> By: Jim Satterfield http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-52084 Jim Satterfield Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:28:57 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-52084 Gray, There is a difference between questioning the competence of actions taken or not taken and claiming that the U.S. government were the actual culprits behind 9/11. I don't see the widows making the latter claim. Gray,

There is a difference between questioning the competence of actions taken or not taken and claiming that the U.S. government were the actual culprits behind 9/11. I don’t see the widows making the latter claim.

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51893 Gray Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:47:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51893 Morning, Mike. Well, how about these conspiracy theorists: <a href="http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id358.html" rel="nofollow"><strong> 9/11 Widows Keep on Asking the Tough Questions</strong></a> Do you think this is shameful, too? Morning, Mike.
Well, how about these conspiracy theorists:


9/11 Widows Keep on Asking the Tough Questions

Do you think this is shameful, too?

]]> By: Michael van der Galien http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51882 Michael van der Galien Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:37:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51882 Rudi: thank you very much for that info! Rudi: thank you very much for that info!

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51879 Gray Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:19:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51879 "A search of the 09-06-2006 poll found no questions that ask a question that the UK lads claim in the 3 out of 4 doubt 911." The moviemakers are doing serious research on 911 a huge disservice by spreading a bogus poll. This is even more idiotic, since a simple google search reveals that in fact it's <a href="http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll" rel="nofollow">about a third of Americans who suspect governement involvement</a>, not 75%. This shows the problem with conspiracy theorists: It's difficult to distinguish the serious ones from the lunatics and those who're only in it to make a fast buck. :( “A search of the 09-06-2006 poll found no questions that ask a question that the UK lads claim in the 3 out of 4 doubt 911.”
The moviemakers are doing serious research on 911 a huge disservice by spreading a bogus poll. This is even more idiotic, since a simple google search reveals that in fact it’s about a third of Americans who suspect governement involvement, not 75%. This shows the problem with conspiracy theorists: It’s difficult to distinguish the serious ones from the lunatics and those who’re only in it to make a fast buck.
:(

]]> By: Jim Satterfield http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51863 Jim Satterfield Mon, 12 Feb 2007 06:18:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51863 Not only was there no question in that poll matching or even vaguely resembling the one that the three fruitcakes claim but this statement in the article strikes me as blatantly inaccurate and misleading: <blockquote>This, and other deeply disturbing questions, are now being furiously debated on both sides of the Atlantic.</blockquote> Really? I follow a lot of news and current events. I am just not aware of enough discussion on this to even come close to being described as a "furious debate". Not only was there no question in that poll matching or even vaguely resembling the one that the three fruitcakes claim but this statement in the article strikes me as blatantly inaccurate and misleading:

This, and other deeply disturbing questions, are now being furiously debated on both sides of the Atlantic.

Really? I follow a lot of news and current events. I am just not aware of enough discussion on this to even come close to being described as a “furious debate”.

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51846 Rudi Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:36:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51846 Rugger - A search of the 09-06-2006 poll found no questions that ask a question that the UK lads claim in the 3 out of 4 doubt 911. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20060821_poll_results.pdf Seems we have been played like fools!! Rugger – A search of the 09-06-2006 poll found no questions that ask a question that the UK lads claim in the 3 out of 4 doubt 911.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20060821_poll_results.pdf
Seems we have been played like fools!!

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51845 Rudi Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:24:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51845 Rugger - You peaked my interest, it seems the lads at the UK website have taken a NYT poll out of context. From MvgD link to the UK article: <blockquote>A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11.</blockquote> As you mentiuon, the NYT web link to stories about their polls do not back up the 'artistic license' of the lads from the UK. Seems this thread is much ado about nothing -LOL :). Rugger – You peaked my interest, it seems the lads at the UK website have taken a NYT poll out of context. From MvgD link to the UK article:

A recent poll by the respected New York Times revealed that three out of four Americans now suspect the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11.

As you mentiuon, the NYT web link to stories about their polls do not back up the ‘artistic license’ of the lads from the UK. Seems this thread is much ado about nothing -LOL :) .

]]> By: Rugger http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51843 Rugger Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:43:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51843 Does anyone have a link to this NY Times poll? I've been looking all over for it and havent found any evidence of it. I did find a poll conducted by CBS and the NYT during September of 2006 that dealt with some 9/11 and terrorism issues. There were no questions about any suspicion of the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11. So if anyone could just point me in the direction of this poll it would be greatly appreciated. I mean it would prove the poll exists, but more importantly allow us to see how the question was phrased... a lot of poll results depend on how they phrase the question. And seeing as how the NYT is a major news source, they do publish the results of their polls, and it should be available somewhere. Does anyone have a link to this NY Times poll? I’ve been looking all over for it and havent found any evidence of it.

I did find a poll conducted by CBS and the NYT during September of 2006 that dealt with some 9/11 and terrorism issues. There were no questions about any suspicion of the U.S. government of not telling the truth about 9/11.

So if anyone could just point me in the direction of this poll it would be greatly appreciated. I mean it would prove the poll exists, but more importantly allow us to see how the question was phrased… a lot of poll results depend on how they phrase the question. And seeing as how the NYT is a major news source, they do publish the results of their polls, and it should be available somewhere.

]]> By: Upinsmoke http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51828 Upinsmoke Mon, 12 Feb 2007 02:23:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51828 Can I name a single fact that was wrong in F911? Nope.......Because Never saw it. Refuse to watch it and will never listen to or accept as fact anything that a person like Michael Moore attempts to put forth as the truth. What is amazing is that I go to his website read his open letters and then hear the exact verbage, the exact spin and the exact talking points being shouted all over the internet. I call them Michael Moore clones. Sorry what were you saying? Oh yeah. Nope have no clue what is in F911. Can I name a single fact that was wrong in F911?

Nope…….Because

Never saw it. Refuse to watch it and will never listen to or accept as fact anything that a person like Michael Moore attempts to put forth as the truth.

What is amazing is that I go to his website read his open letters and then hear the exact verbage, the exact spin and the exact talking points being shouted all over the internet.

I call them Michael Moore clones.

Sorry what were you saying? Oh yeah. Nope have no clue what is in F911.

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51800 Gray Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:43:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51800 "The 911 has holes in it doesn’t imply that planes didn’t bring down the Towers." Yup, and I didn't say that. And there isn't a single theory so far that really makes sense. But the official story doesn't make much sense, either. Too many crazy chances, and too many times the act could have been prevented. I have full understanding for people who are questioning the official story, and doing some independent reasoning of their own. Don't forget that Watergate first sounded like a crazy conspiracy theory, too. Anybody here wants to question the patriotism of the reporters who investigated this? “The 911 has holes in it doesn’t imply that planes didn’t bring down the Towers.”
Yup, and I didn’t say that. And there isn’t a single theory so far that really makes sense. But the official story doesn’t make much sense, either. Too many crazy chances, and too many times the act could have been prevented. I have full understanding for people who are questioning the official story, and doing some independent reasoning of their own. Don’t forget that Watergate first sounded like a crazy conspiracy theory, too. Anybody here wants to question the patriotism of the reporters who investigated this?

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51784 Rudi Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:26:13 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51784 Gray - The 911 has holes in it doesn't imply that planes didn't bring down the Towers. I have listend to some of the Tinhat audio about Thermite and controlled explosions, while I don't like Aspertame I don't think Rummy is trying to poison us Lefties and Libertarians ;). W and Rummy are just incompetents, not in cahoots with the antiChrist<strike>Cheney</strike>. Gray – The 911 has holes in it doesn’t imply that planes didn’t bring down the Towers. I have listend to some of the Tinhat audio about Thermite and controlled explosions, while I don’t like Aspertame I don’t think Rummy is trying to poison us Lefties and Libertarians ;) . W and Rummy are just incompetents, not in cahoots with the antiChristCheney.

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51783 Gray Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:22:44 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51783 "And Fahrenheit 9/11?" Fahrenheit 911 was on public TV in Germany some time ago. So what? Can you name a single fact that is wrong in Fahrenheit 911? “And Fahrenheit 9/11?”

Fahrenheit 911 was on public TV in Germany some time ago. So what? Can you name a single fact that is wrong in Fahrenheit 911?

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51782 Gray Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:20:35 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51782 "Mr Meacher, who last year proposed holding a screening of Loose Change at the House of Commons (he later changed his mind), has said of 9/11: “Never in modern history has an event of such cataclysmic significance been shrouded in such mystery. Some of the key facts remain unexplained on any plausible basis.â€?" What's so shocking about this? He's about right. The 911 report has almost as much holes as the Warren report. “Mr Meacher, who last year proposed holding a screening of Loose Change at the House of Commons (he later changed his mind), has said of 9/11: “Never in modern history has an event of such cataclysmic significance been shrouded in such mystery. Some of the key facts remain unexplained on any plausible basis.â€?”

What’s so shocking about this? He’s about right. The 911 report has almost as much holes as the Warren report.

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51781 Gray Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:18:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51781 "Firstly, the one who published this article - which breathes an atmosphere of being sympathetic towards the 9/11 conspiracy theorists - is … British." Yes, a british enternainment website is reporting about a movie made by some young american conspiracy theorists. So what? You think, even reporting about this shouldn't be allowed? D'oh. Well, I guess, there are always some who don't care for the right of free speech... “Firstly, the one who published this article – which breathes an atmosphere of being sympathetic towards the 9/11 conspiracy theorists – is … British.”
Yes, a british enternainment website is reporting about a movie made by some young american conspiracy theorists. So what? You think, even reporting about this shouldn’t be allowed? D’oh. Well, I guess, there are always some who don’t care for the right of free speech…

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51778 Rudi Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:05:21 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51778 GS Not to overtake this thread, but he implied that I was crazed and Israel doesn't have a triad of nuclear deterence. The Iranians don't have a minture bomb, or any bomb, and no way to deliver via a missile a bomb. The Warmongers told us the Iraqis and Iran can deliver WMD's, they can't. GS Not to overtake this thread, but he implied that I was crazed and Israel doesn’t have a triad of nuclear deterence. The Iranians don’t have a minture bomb, or any bomb, and no way to deliver via a missile a bomb. The Warmongers told us the Iraqis and Iran can deliver WMD’s, they can’t.

]]> By: George Sorwell http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51776 George Sorwell Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:50:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51776 Hey Rudi-- In the other thread, I think Jason was just asking, not stirring up anything. Hey Rudi–

In the other thread, I think Jason was just asking, not stirring up anything.

]]> By: kritter http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51764 kritter Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:15:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51764 Domajot- I agree with your version. It also doesn't help that the Bush administration tried to block the creation of the 9/11 Commission, and was not very cooperative about coming forth with their side of events. Condi's memory loss of key meetings with the intelligence committee before the attack seems fishy, as do a whole host of other lapses. I don't believe that the administration planned 9/11- that is really wacko---but I do believe they tied the Iraq war in with 9/11 by any means that they could, and strongarmed the decision through a panicky Congress. Domajot- I agree with your version. It also doesn’t help that the Bush administration tried to block the creation of the 9/11 Commission, and was not very cooperative about coming forth with their side of events. Condi’s memory loss of key meetings with the intelligence committee before the attack seems fishy, as do a whole host of other lapses. I don’t believe that the administration planned 9/11- that is really wacko—but I do believe they tied the Iraq war in with 9/11 by any means that they could, and strongarmed the decision through a panicky Congress.

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51761 Rudi Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:05:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51761 MvdG, Here is three organizations that adhere to the 911 BS. While the advisory boards are questionabel for the first two the third has more scientific stand. 1) http://www.911truth.org/ 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholars_for_9/11_Truth 3) http://www.journalof911studies.org/ The third group is a more scientific group, however many of the peer review documents aren't much better than Bill Frist diagnosing Terry Schiavo after watching a video. These three groups have many Libertarians who might even believe in Rummy's Disease or Aspertame Posioning - enjoy ;). GS In the other comment thread JS still hasn't responded to my Israel Nukes resources ;). In another thought, the Iraq newsconference in regards to Iranian weapons smuggling is vodoo science. MvdG,
Here is three organizations that adhere to the 911 BS. While the advisory boards are questionabel for the first two the third has more scientific stand.
1) http://www.911truth.org/
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholars_for_9/11_Truth
3) http://www.journalof911studies.org/
The third group is a more scientific group, however many of the peer review documents aren’t much better than Bill Frist diagnosing Terry Schiavo after watching a video. These three groups have many Libertarians who might even believe in Rummy’s Disease or Aspertame Posioning – enjoy ;) .

GS In the other comment thread JS still hasn’t responded to my Israel Nukes resources ;) .

In another thought, the Iraq newsconference in regards to Iranian weapons smuggling is vodoo science.

]]> By: Tully http://themoderatevoice.com/10825/shame/comment-page-1/#comment-51759 Tully Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:03:54 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/911/shame/#comment-51759 Don't feel bad, Michael. Every region has its loonies. Some folks still think Elvis is alive and on the run and works in convenience stores. Don’t feel bad, Michael. Every region has its loonies. Some folks still think Elvis is alive and on the run and works in convenience stores.

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