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	<title>Comments on: How many Liberals does it take to change all of the Light Bulbs?</title>
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		<title>By: Upinsmoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Upinsmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.....Im definitely in the company of Liberals.  Only they can discuss taxing Light bulbs with a serious and straight face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL&#8230;..Im definitely in the company of Liberals.  Only they can discuss taxing Light bulbs with a serious and straight face.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do what we say, OR give us your money!&quot;

Social engineering is social engineering, whichever flag you do it under.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do what we say, OR give us your money!&#8221;</p>
<p>Social engineering is social engineering, whichever flag you do it under.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is frustrating because, had the subject come up originally as a proposal to tax, and the two options were â€œtaxâ€? or â€œleave aloneâ€?, again â€œleave aloneâ€? would have prevailed.&quot;

Sure this is a crooked strategy. But &quot;leave alone&quot; is unacceptable, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is frustrating because, had the subject come up originally as a proposal to tax, and the two options were â€œtaxâ€? or â€œleave aloneâ€?, again â€œleave aloneâ€? would have prevailed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure this is a crooked strategy. But &#8220;leave alone&#8221; is unacceptable, too.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, in some instances, I would agree with that approach. And, compared to an outright ban, a tax would be preferable. But that doesn&#039;t mean the tax is preferred or a good thing, looked at alone or compared to just doing nothing and maintaining the status quo.

Your post is an example one of the reasons, I think, many conservatives are very wary of &quot;moderates&quot; and &quot;centrists&quot;. Somebody proposes a ban, which has no chance of passing. Conservatives scream about the market, to make sure to kill the idea before it gains traction. Then a moderate says &quot;hey, instead of banning, let&#039;s just tax it!&quot; Compared to banning, this sounds almost kind of reasonable, so more people jump on board, even people who never would have supported a ban to begin with. This is frustrating because, had the subject come up originally as a proposal to tax, and the two options were &quot;tax&quot; or &quot;leave alone&quot;, again &quot;leave alone&quot; would have prevailed.

In other words, just offering &quot;tax&quot; as a compromise acquiesces in the idea that &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; must be done. The discussion is no longer, &quot;should the government intervene in this problem&quot;, it becomes &quot;&lt;b&gt;how&lt;/b&gt; should the government intervene in this problem&quot;. Once the debate is framed in those terms, the market-based solution which involves no government intervention is going to lose, because it&#039;s not even on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, in some instances, I would agree with that approach. And, compared to an outright ban, a tax would be preferable. But that doesn&#8217;t mean the tax is preferred or a good thing, looked at alone or compared to just doing nothing and maintaining the status quo.</p>
<p>Your post is an example one of the reasons, I think, many conservatives are very wary of &#8220;moderates&#8221; and &#8220;centrists&#8221;. Somebody proposes a ban, which has no chance of passing. Conservatives scream about the market, to make sure to kill the idea before it gains traction. Then a moderate says &#8220;hey, instead of banning, let&#8217;s just tax it!&#8221; Compared to banning, this sounds almost kind of reasonable, so more people jump on board, even people who never would have supported a ban to begin with. This is frustrating because, had the subject come up originally as a proposal to tax, and the two options were &#8220;tax&#8221; or &#8220;leave alone&#8221;, again &#8220;leave alone&#8221; would have prevailed.</p>
<p>In other words, just offering &#8220;tax&#8221; as a compromise acquiesces in the idea that <i>something</i> must be done. The discussion is no longer, &#8220;should the government intervene in this problem&#8221;, it becomes &#8220;<b>how</b> should the government intervene in this problem&#8221;. Once the debate is framed in those terms, the market-based solution which involves no government intervention is going to lose, because it&#8217;s not even on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 17:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It seems to me that this is the essence of a Centrist approach to public policy.&quot;

It&#039;s also the essence of the German economical system, the &#039;sotiale Marktwirtschaft&#039;. The idea is to couple the dynamic of capitalism with a legal framework that ensures that the economy is enhancing the welfare of the nation. Laws shall give incentives for the preferred behaviour. In many instances, subsidies or tax reductuions aren&#039;t necessary to achieve this, an obligation for producers to present more informations about their goods is enough. For instance regarding the contents of food products or the actual rates of life insurance policies. Outright banning something should be only the &#039;ultima ratio&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It seems to me that this is the essence of a Centrist approach to public policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also the essence of the German economical system, the &#8216;sotiale Marktwirtschaft&#8217;. The idea is to couple the dynamic of capitalism with a legal framework that ensures that the economy is enhancing the welfare of the nation. Laws shall give incentives for the preferred behaviour. In many instances, subsidies or tax reductuions aren&#8217;t necessary to achieve this, an obligation for producers to present more informations about their goods is enough. For instance regarding the contents of food products or the actual rates of life insurance policies. Outright banning something should be only the &#8216;ultima ratio&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of my post was that often social engineers want to ban behavior they don&#039;t agree with. This is where Liberals and Conservatives can come together to craft policies that encourage behaviors rather than mandating them.
If people are wasting water then raise the rates on high levels of water use.
If people are wasting energy then raise the rates on high levels of energy use.
If people are wasting health care resources then raise the deductible for conditions that are caused by their personal choices.
If people want to smoke with their friends then let businesses decide if they want to cater to that crowd or take the risk of excluding all smokers
It seems to me that this is the essence of a Centrist approach to public policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of my post was that often social engineers want to ban behavior they don&#8217;t agree with. This is where Liberals and Conservatives can come together to craft policies that encourage behaviors rather than mandating them.<br />
If people are wasting water then raise the rates on high levels of water use.<br />
If people are wasting energy then raise the rates on high levels of energy use.<br />
If people are wasting health care resources then raise the deductible for conditions that are caused by their personal choices.<br />
If people want to smoke with their friends then let businesses decide if they want to cater to that crowd or take the risk of excluding all smokers<br />
It seems to me that this is the essence of a Centrist approach to public policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I actually agree with Pat on something. It is silly. Encouraging people to replace their regular bulbs is one thing. Banning them is something entirely different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I actually agree with Pat on something. It is silly. Encouraging people to replace their regular bulbs is one thing. Banning them is something entirely different.</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great headline, Paul! :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great headline, Paul! <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, that would be a fine idea. We already use the Energy Star rating system on major appliances to encourage/enable consumers to consider energy efficiency in their purchases. And for incandescents it would be really easy, since the normal rating for such bulbs is how many watts they use, a direct measure of their energy consumption. Multiply that times a standard average number of hours in use and an average price of electricity, and you&#039;re in business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, that would be a fine idea. We already use the Energy Star rating system on major appliances to encourage/enable consumers to consider energy efficiency in their purchases. And for incandescents it would be really easy, since the normal rating for such bulbs is how many watts they use, a direct measure of their energy consumption. Multiply that times a standard average number of hours in use and an average price of electricity, and you&#8217;re in business.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 11:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why not require lightbulb packaging or stores to highlight the cost of bulbs per hour/day/week/year?&quot;

Indeed! The marketing campaign here focused on the point of total costs of lighting. Simple (yet correct) calculations where presented in the stores, showing price, life expectancy, and electricity costs for both kinds of bulbs. Themessage to be relayed was, in the medium run, the small investment in the modern products pays off. For convincing customers, the combination of showing cost advantages plus the good feeling of doing the ecologically right thing did the trick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why not require lightbulb packaging or stores to highlight the cost of bulbs per hour/day/week/year?&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed! The marketing campaign here focused on the point of total costs of lighting. Simple (yet correct) calculations where presented in the stores, showing price, life expectancy, and electricity costs for both kinds of bulbs. Themessage to be relayed was, in the medium run, the small investment in the modern products pays off. For convincing customers, the combination of showing cost advantages plus the good feeling of doing the ecologically right thing did the trick.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Even for California, this is pretty silly.&quot;

Imho silly is too harsh a word, but I agree that criminalizing regular light bulbs seems like a huge overreaction. Again, in Germany, a marketing campaign for energy saving bulbs, supported by federal agencies, had great results. The heavy handed approach is totally unnecessary. Authorities should start by making energy saving lighting obligatory for public buildings. And they should start a task force with the industry for finding a catchy name. Customers won&#039;t buy stuff when they can&#039;t understand what its good for.
CF, COLS, really! How about the iLight? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even for California, this is pretty silly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Imho silly is too harsh a word, but I agree that criminalizing regular light bulbs seems like a huge overreaction. Again, in Germany, a marketing campaign for energy saving bulbs, supported by federal agencies, had great results. The heavy handed approach is totally unnecessary. Authorities should start by making energy saving lighting obligatory for public buildings. And they should start a task force with the industry for finding a catchy name. Customers won&#8217;t buy stuff when they can&#8217;t understand what its good for.<br />
CF, COLS, really! How about the iLight? <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My hope for a lot of this stuff is to build full costs more directly into the price of goods. So, there are enormous projected costs due to climate change. These are costs that we are going to have to pay at some point. The price of the consumer good should reflect this. Measure the cost of climate change as much as you can, measure the relative contribution that incandescents make towards climate change, and then build that cost into the item. If consumers want to buy the incandescents anyway, they can. But they can&#039;t do it by having their great grandchildren pay for them. They have to pay the whole financial cost of their choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My hope for a lot of this stuff is to build full costs more directly into the price of goods. So, there are enormous projected costs due to climate change. These are costs that we are going to have to pay at some point. The price of the consumer good should reflect this. Measure the cost of climate change as much as you can, measure the relative contribution that incandescents make towards climate change, and then build that cost into the item. If consumers want to buy the incandescents anyway, they can. But they can&#8217;t do it by having their great grandchildren pay for them. They have to pay the whole financial cost of their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than raising taxes or baning regular light bulbs, why not require lightbulb packaging or stores to highlight the cost of bulbs per hour/day/week/year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than raising taxes or baning regular light bulbs, why not require lightbulb packaging or stores to highlight the cost of bulbs per hour/day/week/year?</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would California prohibit Amazon and other on-line stores from shipping incandescent bulbs into the state? Could they simply possess the evil bulbs in-state for the purpose of shipping them elsewhere?

Even for California, this is pretty silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would California prohibit Amazon and other on-line stores from shipping incandescent bulbs into the state? Could they simply possess the evil bulbs in-state for the purpose of shipping them elsewhere?</p>
<p>Even for California, this is pretty silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to use CF light bulbs but they only have limited applications in our house because so many of our lighting fixtures are combined with ceiling fans. The CF bulbs flicker and are irritating when you have a ceiling fan running. We also have several fixtures that use decorative bulbs the wrong size for CF bulbs. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to use CF light bulbs but they only have limited applications in our house because so many of our lighting fixtures are combined with ceiling fans. The CF bulbs flicker and are irritating when you have a ceiling fan running. We also have several fixtures that use decorative bulbs the wrong size for CF bulbs. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iâ€™m generally against legislating common sense.&quot;
Good point. But looking at the irrational behaviour of the average US costumer, I have to ask: What common sense???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iâ€™m generally against legislating common sense.&#8221;<br />
Good point. But looking at the irrational behaviour of the average US costumer, I have to ask: What common sense???</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 03:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Afaik COLS are already more economical than normal bulbs. The problem seems to be that US citizen aren&#039;t aware of the fact. This seems to be a marketing problem, apparent in the idiotic name of the product. In Germany, they are called Energiesparlampen (energy saving lamps) and are common in all households. Since they have a large marketshare today, the prices have sunk to a level where they cost between 3 times to maybe 6 times of normal bulbs, while the energy saving bulbs have a ten time higher life expectancy and a fifth of the energy consumption. Buying them is a totally rational decision. I can&#039;t really understand why the US is so slow in accepting these products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Afaik COLS are already more economical than normal bulbs. The problem seems to be that US citizen aren&#8217;t aware of the fact. This seems to be a marketing problem, apparent in the idiotic name of the product. In Germany, they are called Energiesparlampen (energy saving lamps) and are common in all households. Since they have a large marketshare today, the prices have sunk to a level where they cost between 3 times to maybe 6 times of normal bulbs, while the energy saving bulbs have a ten time higher life expectancy and a fifth of the energy consumption. Buying them is a totally rational decision. I can&#8217;t really understand why the US is so slow in accepting these products.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m generally against legislating common sense.</description>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been gradually switching over to fluorescent bulbs for the selfish reason that some of the fixtures are difficult for this short person to reach.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 01:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read that there are significant numbers of the Rapture Crowd who are enthusiastic environmentalists.  Apparently they take seriously the parts of the Bible that say that man is a responsible custodian of the earth.</description>
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