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	<title>Comments on: Iraq&#8217;s internal wars and American troop surge or withdrawal</title>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The surge is three years late and 50,000 to 100,000 short. When the looting and inital insurgenct started was the time for a surge. Instead we get&quot;Mission Acomplished&quot;. But a swift Rummy advance gets better Mathews Bush Luv than house to house fighting on Haifa street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The surge is three years late and 50,000 to 100,000 short. When the looting and inital insurgenct started was the time for a surge. Instead we get&#8221;Mission Acomplished&#8221;. But a swift Rummy advance gets better Mathews Bush Luv than house to house fighting on Haifa street.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is getting boring, but I agree with C.S. Filling a power vacuum &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; rebelling against the government when that same government &lt;em&gt;tries&lt;/em&gt; to fill the vacuum. One of the main reasons that the Iraqi government cannot excercise its authority is &lt;em&gt;because of&lt;/em&gt; the militias. 

The militias are fighting each other, they are fighting against the government and they are fighting against the coalition troops in Iraq. 

Also, this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Adding or removing American troops in this situation changes little for the Iraqi fighters because their war goals are not peace based on the common Iraqi good. They are fighting for settlements that redress historical grievances and secure power for their own factions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

contradicts this:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The issue here is not a traditional one of helping a legitimate government to defeat rebellions against its authority. No faction in Iraq is rebelling against a governmentâ€™s authority.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

as well.

They should be trying to &quot;secure power for&quot; the government. 

&lt;em&gt;Not&lt;/em&gt; for their own factions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is getting boring, but I agree with C.S. Filling a power vacuum <em>is</em> rebelling against the government when that same government <em>tries</em> to fill the vacuum. One of the main reasons that the Iraqi government cannot excercise its authority is <em>because of</em> the militias. </p>
<p>The militias are fighting each other, they are fighting against the government and they are fighting against the coalition troops in Iraq. </p>
<p>Also, this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Adding or removing American troops in this situation changes little for the Iraqi fighters because their war goals are not peace based on the common Iraqi good. They are fighting for settlements that redress historical grievances and secure power for their own factions.</p></blockquote>
<p>contradicts this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The issue here is not a traditional one of helping a legitimate government to defeat rebellions against its authority. No faction in Iraq is rebelling against a governmentâ€™s authority.</p></blockquote>
<p>as well.</p>
<p>They should be trying to &#8220;secure power for&#8221; the government. </p>
<p><em>Not</em> for their own factions.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;No faction in Iraq is rebelling against a governmentâ€™s authority. Each faction is trying to fill a power vacuum within its own community and, eventually, a power vacuum in the entire country.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 I think the second statement here kind of contradicts the first. I think a more accurate way to phrase that first part would be &quot;&lt;em&gt;Each&lt;/em&gt; of the various factions is rebelling against a government&#039;s authority.&quot; The central govt is weak and each faction is trying to fill that power vaccuum, as you said, but in doing so they are fighting against the govt authority (weak though it is.) In point of fact, they&#039;re fighting against the IDEA of a central govt authority- or at least the model of a central govt that unifies all of the factions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>No faction in Iraq is rebelling against a governmentâ€™s authority. Each faction is trying to fill a power vacuum within its own community and, eventually, a power vacuum in the entire country.</p></blockquote>
<p> I think the second statement here kind of contradicts the first. I think a more accurate way to phrase that first part would be &#8220;<em>Each</em> of the various factions is rebelling against a government&#8217;s authority.&#8221; The central govt is weak and each faction is trying to fill that power vaccuum, as you said, but in doing so they are fighting against the govt authority (weak though it is.) In point of fact, they&#8217;re fighting against the IDEA of a central govt authority- or at least the model of a central govt that unifies all of the factions.</p>
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		<title>By: Laimdota</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laimdota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems we will have troops in Iraq for decades, no matter what happens with the surge.  You are exactly right in assessing the messiness of Iraqi internal struggles for power, something that our leaders don&#039;t seem to understand.  These struggles will not be resolved any time soon, considering how long they have been festering and how much is at stake for each faction.  The trouble is that each faction has good reasons for mistrusting the others, and without trust, unity is impossible.  
We are truly stuck.  We can&#039;t leave, and we can&#039;t stay.
And the onlookers in other nations are glorying in our predicament - the price for our arrogance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems we will have troops in Iraq for decades, no matter what happens with the surge.  You are exactly right in assessing the messiness of Iraqi internal struggles for power, something that our leaders don&#8217;t seem to understand.  These struggles will not be resolved any time soon, considering how long they have been festering and how much is at stake for each faction.  The trouble is that each faction has good reasons for mistrusting the others, and without trust, unity is impossible.<br />
We are truly stuck.  We can&#8217;t leave, and we can&#8217;t stay.<br />
And the onlookers in other nations are glorying in our predicament &#8211; the price for our arrogance.</p>
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