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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 06:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 01:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Upinsmoke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Upinsmoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The transition office has raised some eyebrows inside the pentagon.

Hah..........Democratic, I hate Rumsfeld Eyebrows..........lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The transition office has raised some eyebrows inside the pentagon.</p>
<p>Hah&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Democratic, I hate Rumsfeld Eyebrows&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.lol</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, there was no doubt that who ever the source was that originated the Madrassa story had some incentive to speak against Obama...  and that is pretty much what Joe (I think) was getting at when he spoke of sources having their own motives for releasing information...

While we are talking about the Madrassa thing...  How about that Fox News anchor?

And this story...  a nonstarter if I ever saw one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, there was no doubt that who ever the source was that originated the Madrassa story had some incentive to speak against Obama&#8230;  and that is pretty much what Joe (I think) was getting at when he spoke of sources having their own motives for releasing information&#8230;</p>
<p>While we are talking about the Madrassa thing&#8230;  How about that Fox News anchor?</p>
<p>And this story&#8230;  a nonstarter if I ever saw one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, you&#039;re certainly not responsible for the statements of the commenters on this site, or your co-bloggers. But in Michael Sticking&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://themoderatevoice.com/education/dirty-rotten-lies-barack-obama-and-the-madrassa-smear/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last post&lt;/a&gt; on the Obama story, he strongly suggested that the Washington Times was flat-out lying about its sources:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
A Clinton spokesman has â€œdenied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claimâ€?. So whoâ€™s playing dirty here? The right-wing smear machine or the Clinton campaign?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and

&lt;blockquote&gt;And, in this case: No one has offered â€œany proof that this information came from the Hillary Clinton campaignâ€?.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You yourself, Joe, in your &lt;a href=&quot;http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/is-hillary-clinton-really-going-after-obama/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original post&lt;/a&gt; on the subject, suggested that &lt;i&gt;Insight&lt;/i&gt; was perhaps being used or otherwise misleading the public about its sources for the story:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Could this story be sourced by people who may have a vested political interest in demonizing Ms. Clinton? Just because itâ€™s in a publication or on a website (unless itâ€™s in The Moderate Voice, of course) doesnâ€™t mean you should believe itâ€™s true or sourced by sources that are reporting, rather than trying to create negative journalist narratives to slime perceived political foes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You also said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;And perhaps that is the intent. You get a bad smell from this story. Like itâ€™s being put out by someone hiding under the name â€œsourcesâ€? to slime Obama and Hillary Clinton.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You also seemed to me to clearly suggest that &lt;i&gt;Insight&lt;/i&gt; itself was being deceitful:

&lt;blockquote&gt;So Insight Magazine, the magazine associated with The Washington Times, has inside, stellar Democratic sources?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That reads as sarcasm to me, which is confirmed by your later statement: &quot;This source sounds like it is &lt;i&gt;not a Democratic source&lt;/i&gt;&quot;, despite &lt;i&gt;Insight&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; clear statement &quot;An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered... Sources close to the background check...&quot;

I really have no objection to your story on Rumsfeld hanging around. As you say, it&#039;s an interesting new story, and from your comment, I sense you agree with me that all in all it&#039;s a relatively minor one.

I only intended my initial post to be a snarky little observation that in describing the Washington Times when they ran a story you found inappropriate, you (and co-bloggers and commenters) were deeply suspicious of them and emphasized their conservative sympathies, while when they run a story which you find appropriate or amusing, they&#039;re just another news source. My snark was mostly aimed at the attacks on the Washington Times in the prior posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, you&#8217;re certainly not responsible for the statements of the commenters on this site, or your co-bloggers. But in Michael Sticking&#8217;s <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/education/dirty-rotten-lies-barack-obama-and-the-madrassa-smear/" rel="nofollow">last post</a> on the Obama story, he strongly suggested that the Washington Times was flat-out lying about its sources:</p>
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A Clinton spokesman has â€œdenied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claimâ€?. So whoâ€™s playing dirty here? The right-wing smear machine or the Clinton campaign?</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>And, in this case: No one has offered â€œany proof that this information came from the Hillary Clinton campaignâ€?.</p></blockquote>
<p>You yourself, Joe, in your <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/is-hillary-clinton-really-going-after-obama/" rel="nofollow">original post</a> on the subject, suggested that <i>Insight</i> was perhaps being used or otherwise misleading the public about its sources for the story:</p>
<blockquote><p>Could this story be sourced by people who may have a vested political interest in demonizing Ms. Clinton? Just because itâ€™s in a publication or on a website (unless itâ€™s in The Moderate Voice, of course) doesnâ€™t mean you should believe itâ€™s true or sourced by sources that are reporting, rather than trying to create negative journalist narratives to slime perceived political foes.</p></blockquote>
<p>You also said:</p>
<blockquote><p>And perhaps that is the intent. You get a bad smell from this story. Like itâ€™s being put out by someone hiding under the name â€œsourcesâ€? to slime Obama and Hillary Clinton.</p></blockquote>
<p>You also seemed to me to clearly suggest that <i>Insight</i> itself was being deceitful:</p>
<blockquote><p>So Insight Magazine, the magazine associated with The Washington Times, has inside, stellar Democratic sources?</p></blockquote>
<p>That reads as sarcasm to me, which is confirmed by your later statement: &#8220;This source sounds like it is <i>not a Democratic source</i>&#8220;, despite <i>Insight&#8217;s</i> clear statement &#8220;An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered&#8230; Sources close to the background check&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I really have no objection to your story on Rumsfeld hanging around. As you say, it&#8217;s an interesting new story, and from your comment, I sense you agree with me that all in all it&#8217;s a relatively minor one.</p>
<p>I only intended my initial post to be a snarky little observation that in describing the Washington Times when they ran a story you found inappropriate, you (and co-bloggers and commenters) were deeply suspicious of them and emphasized their conservative sympathies, while when they run a story which you find appropriate or amusing, they&#8217;re just another news source. My snark was mostly aimed at the attacks on the Washington Times in the prior posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Gandelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Gandelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The source in this is clearly someone from the Pentagon. Unlike some, I don&#039;t believe (having been a journalist0 that most journalists &quot;make up&quot; a source. They may use a source who uses the journalist. DR wasn&#039;t Mr. Popularity at the Pentagon so someone went to the WT to let them know  that he hasn&#039;t really totally cleared out his desk but is there in another capacity. There wasn&#039;t much for me to say on this story...but it is an interesting one. And the &quot;goodness gracious&quot; is one of may really endearing phrases from past generations that DR would use. I don&#039;t see the posting of this story or the few comments I made about it as some huge analysis or policy statement on my part or the site&#039;s part or reflecting all of the many writers of different opinions who write on this site. It is simply...an...interesting...news...story. And not from a totally &quot;blind&quot; source since we know it is from someone at the Pentagon. (Unless you believe the journalist just sits in his office, slips a slurpee and writes a story by making up a source and not  calling anyone...and that is not how it works). Unnamed sources often give good info but they have a variety of reasons for giving it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The source in this is clearly someone from the Pentagon. Unlike some, I don&#8217;t believe (having been a journalist0 that most journalists &#8220;make up&#8221; a source. They may use a source who uses the journalist. DR wasn&#8217;t Mr. Popularity at the Pentagon so someone went to the WT to let them know  that he hasn&#8217;t really totally cleared out his desk but is there in another capacity. There wasn&#8217;t much for me to say on this story&#8230;but it is an interesting one. And the &#8220;goodness gracious&#8221; is one of may really endearing phrases from past generations that DR would use. I don&#8217;t see the posting of this story or the few comments I made about it as some huge analysis or policy statement on my part or the site&#8217;s part or reflecting all of the many writers of different opinions who write on this site. It is simply&#8230;an&#8230;interesting&#8230;news&#8230;story. And not from a totally &#8220;blind&#8221; source since we know it is from someone at the Pentagon. (Unless you believe the journalist just sits in his office, slips a slurpee and writes a story by making up a source and not  calling anyone&#8230;and that is not how it works). Unnamed sources often give good info but they have a variety of reasons for giving it.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh... Steve, I was not making a substantive response to the story, because it&#039;s a total non-story, with a few political opponents of the former Secretary who still work there making anonymous complaints about him (&quot;some sources&quot;). There&#039;s no indication that he is running the show, a power behind the throne. He&#039;s spending time, unpaid, going through his papers to get them in better order for all the historians who will be looking through them one day.

My point (and I suspect most people got it) was that the last time TMV cited a story (the Obama research done by the Clinton campaign) from the Washington Times (well, its sister publication, Insight), many commenters jumped to attack it, citing its ultimate ownership by the Rev. Moon and its reputed right-wing bias. Now, they have a piece critical of a Republican, and no mention of &quot;unsourced comments&quot; and the like. Yes, the raw fact of Rumsfeld having the office may be properly sourced, but the innuendo and criticism and suggestions of some vague impropriety are not at all sourced (&quot;some said&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230; Steve, I was not making a substantive response to the story, because it&#8217;s a total non-story, with a few political opponents of the former Secretary who still work there making anonymous complaints about him (&#8220;some sources&#8221;). There&#8217;s no indication that he is running the show, a power behind the throne. He&#8217;s spending time, unpaid, going through his papers to get them in better order for all the historians who will be looking through them one day.</p>
<p>My point (and I suspect most people got it) was that the last time TMV cited a story (the Obama research done by the Clinton campaign) from the Washington Times (well, its sister publication, Insight), many commenters jumped to attack it, citing its ultimate ownership by the Rev. Moon and its reputed right-wing bias. Now, they have a piece critical of a Republican, and no mention of &#8220;unsourced comments&#8221; and the like. Yes, the raw fact of Rumsfeld having the office may be properly sourced, but the innuendo and criticism and suggestions of some vague impropriety are not at all sourced (&#8220;some said&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: sanskritg</title>
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		<dc:creator>sanskritg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot the *end snark*</description>
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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always nice to see how the other side views an issue and HMV&#039;s well thought out, topical and insightful opinion has once again added greatly to the knowledge base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always nice to see how the other side views an issue and HMV&#8217;s well thought out, topical and insightful opinion has once again added greatly to the knowledge base.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what do those Moonies at the Washington Times know...

I guess it&#039;s only a horribly biased right-wing hatchet job of a paper when it&#039;s reporting stories about Democrats?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what do those Moonies at the Washington Times know&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s only a horribly biased right-wing hatchet job of a paper when it&#8217;s reporting stories about Democrats?</p>
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