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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44976</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, verfickte scheisse, I hate this comment software...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, verfickte scheisse, I hate this comment software&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44974</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>????</description>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44973</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point, CS, but imho you&#039;re vastly overestimating the ability of US citizen to process two informations that are given on different channels at different times. Nothing in my experience after five y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, CS, but imho you&#8217;re vastly overestimating the ability of US citizen to process two informations that are given on different channels at different times. Nothing in my experience after five y</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44852</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray,
Not a matter of making up my mind, but I guess it&#039;s a matter of clarifying for you. I&#039;m agreeing with you that polls are important but I don&#039;t think that approach has to be combined with the interview approach. I think the two can be done separately and then the audience can process the two types of information.

My point is that polling data is one type of information and should be done on a broad, randomly selected sample. That gives us one form of information. 

Interviews go into more depth with a much smaller population sample which doesn&#039;t have to be randomly selected to be useful. This gives a different type of information.

These two different forms of information are both useful. The recipients of this information then use their brain capacity to process it, and (hopefully) they understand that each form has its limitations, but when taken together they give us more clarity than either form could on its own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gray,<br />
Not a matter of making up my mind, but I guess it&#8217;s a matter of clarifying for you. I&#8217;m agreeing with you that polls are important but I don&#8217;t think that approach has to be combined with the interview approach. I think the two can be done separately and then the audience can process the two types of information.</p>
<p>My point is that polling data is one type of information and should be done on a broad, randomly selected sample. That gives us one form of information. </p>
<p>Interviews go into more depth with a much smaller population sample which doesn&#8217;t have to be randomly selected to be useful. This gives a different type of information.</p>
<p>These two different forms of information are both useful. The recipients of this information then use their brain capacity to process it, and (hopefully) they understand that each form has its limitations, but when taken together they give us more clarity than either form could on its own.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44845</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Uh, not exactly what I meant, Gray. You couldnâ€™t possibly &lt;strong&gt;poll&lt;/strong&gt; thousands of people and ask &lt;strong&gt;in depth&lt;/strong&gt; questions.&quot;
Hmm?
â€œI think that &lt;strong&gt;polling&lt;/strong&gt; data &lt;strong&gt;gives breadth&lt;/strong&gt; while interviews like this give more depth.â€?

Now would you pls make your mind up, CS? :P

Besides, I think you don&#039;t need many question to get the general view of Islam in Europe. And this would provide a helpful control instrument so that the movie doesn&#039;t end up with showing too many outsider opinions. Hell, I&#039;m sure there are already published poll results that could be used, especially after the cartoon controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Uh, not exactly what I meant, Gray. You couldnâ€™t possibly <strong>poll</strong> thousands of people and ask <strong>in depth</strong> questions.&#8221;<br />
Hmm?<br />
â€œI think that <strong>polling</strong> data <strong>gives breadth</strong> while interviews like this give more depth.â€?</p>
<p>Now would you pls make your mind up, CS? <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Besides, I think you don&#8217;t need many question to get the general view of Islam in Europe. And this would provide a helpful control instrument so that the movie doesn&#8217;t end up with showing too many outsider opinions. Hell, I&#8217;m sure there are already published poll results that could be used, especially after the cartoon controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44832</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, not exactly what I meant, Gray. You couldn&#039;t possibly poll thousands of people and ask in depth questions. Even if you had the time and funding for that, you&#039;d end up with a film that was either too long for people to watch or it would have to be severely edited anyway. My point was that polls are done and that gives us one type of information, and then projects like this give us a different type of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, not exactly what I meant, Gray. You couldn&#8217;t possibly poll thousands of people and ask in depth questions. Even if you had the time and funding for that, you&#8217;d end up with a film that was either too long for people to watch or it would have to be severely edited anyway. My point was that polls are done and that gives us one type of information, and then projects like this give us a different type of information.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44831</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M Takhallus: My first sentence was &#039;Uh-oh, this kind of codewording augurs not well.&#039; That is not drawing a conclusion, merely stating it does not bode well for a balanced view of the subject.

Lynx: &#039;he so-called â€œclash of civilizationsâ€? may be low on their list, but if you change the subject to â€œimmigrationâ€? you might find the rank goes up rather quickly&#039;

Exactly my point. Note the diff in the brief hyperbolic coinage vs. your longer definition. It&#039;s the need for sound bites in this nation full of speed addicted morons that leads to hysteria. Recall the orange-red-candy colored alert system?

MVDG: &#039;This is not about enforcing an opinionâ€¦ itâ€™s about asking people their opinion.&#039;

I agree w Gray, that the phrase clash of civilizations is already coded one way, just like asking id one supports &#039;Godless Communism.&#039; It&#039;s true that Coms were Godless, but the way the thing is phrased is as imp as the query.

Gray: &#039;If you use only the â€œinterviews with people of strong opinionsâ€?, you present a distorted picture.&#039;

This is true since the world is full of Homer Simpsons. I laugh when I hear how &#039;religious&#039; the USA is, because most are religious in name only. Most old line denopms are dying, but people all claim to be religious. Most docs speak to the dumbest or smartest people, which leaves out 99% in the middle.

Then again, people loathe watching themselves, on camera or in a mirror, so it sells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M Takhallus: My first sentence was &#8216;Uh-oh, this kind of codewording augurs not well.&#8217; That is not drawing a conclusion, merely stating it does not bode well for a balanced view of the subject.</p>
<p>Lynx: &#8216;he so-called â€œclash of civilizationsâ€? may be low on their list, but if you change the subject to â€œimmigrationâ€? you might find the rank goes up rather quickly&#8217;</p>
<p>Exactly my point. Note the diff in the brief hyperbolic coinage vs. your longer definition. It&#8217;s the need for sound bites in this nation full of speed addicted morons that leads to hysteria. Recall the orange-red-candy colored alert system?</p>
<p>MVDG: &#8216;This is not about enforcing an opinionâ€¦ itâ€™s about asking people their opinion.&#8217;</p>
<p>I agree w Gray, that the phrase clash of civilizations is already coded one way, just like asking id one supports &#8216;Godless Communism.&#8217; It&#8217;s true that Coms were Godless, but the way the thing is phrased is as imp as the query.</p>
<p>Gray: &#8216;If you use only the â€œinterviews with people of strong opinionsâ€?, you present a distorted picture.&#8217;</p>
<p>This is true since the world is full of Homer Simpsons. I laugh when I hear how &#8216;religious&#8217; the USA is, because most are religious in name only. Most old line denopms are dying, but people all claim to be religious. Most docs speak to the dumbest or smartest people, which leaves out 99% in the middle.</p>
<p>Then again, people loathe watching themselves, on camera or in a mirror, so it sells.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44823</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think that polling data gives breadth while interviews like this give more depth.&quot;

Indeed. Combining both would give a much clearer picture of the range of opinions and the way of thinking behind them. This would really be a great documentary!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that polling data gives breadth while interviews like this give more depth.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. Combining both would give a much clearer picture of the range of opinions and the way of thinking behind them. This would really be a great documentary!</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44822</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don&#039;t want to discourage you, takhallus. After all, it&#039;s encouraging that somebody cares for the opinions of europeans, and it&#039;s only sad the budget will limit the scope of the project. Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t want to discourage you, takhallus. After all, it&#8217;s encouraging that somebody cares for the opinions of europeans, and it&#8217;s only sad the budget will limit the scope of the project. Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44821</link>
		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that polling data gives breadth while interviews like this give more depth. It&#039;s best for us to use both of these methods to bridge understanding. When Americans hear polling data that shows opposition to American policies among Europeans, the potential for misunderstanding is huge. Documentaries that give a cross section of opinions, or even those that explore only one sided opinions, can still fill in the blanks for Americans to better understand WHY Europeans feel as they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that polling data gives breadth while interviews like this give more depth. It&#8217;s best for us to use both of these methods to bridge understanding. When Americans hear polling data that shows opposition to American policies among Europeans, the potential for misunderstanding is huge. Documentaries that give a cross section of opinions, or even those that explore only one sided opinions, can still fill in the blanks for Americans to better understand WHY Europeans feel as they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44820</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What we are after is good video.&quot;

Wll, at least it will be interesting, especially if you focus on the &#039;before and after&#039; aspect and how opinions and views changed over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What we are after is good video.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wll, at least it will be interesting, especially if you focus on the &#8216;before and after&#8217; aspect and how opinions and views changed over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44818</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Itâ€™s not a science project.&quot;

Indeed, indeed. But a &quot;Documentary film is a broad category of cinematic expression united by the attempt, in one fashion or another, to &quot;document&quot; reality&quot; (that&#039;s what Wiki sez). Well, it already would be difficult to document the reality of public opinion by going out in the street and asking everybody who comes along. But with the method of interviewing people who were chosen beforehand, it will be almost impossible to give a picture of &#039;reality&#039;. It will just reflect reality as you observe it. Well, maybe that&#039;s good enough for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Itâ€™s not a science project.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed, indeed. But a &#8220;Documentary film is a broad category of cinematic expression united by the attempt, in one fashion or another, to &#8220;document&#8221; reality&#8221; (that&#8217;s what Wiki sez). Well, it already would be difficult to document the reality of public opinion by going out in the street and asking everybody who comes along. But with the method of interviewing people who were chosen beforehand, it will be almost impossible to give a picture of &#8216;reality&#8217;. It will just reflect reality as you observe it. Well, maybe that&#8217;s good enough for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44817</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I love Grayâ€™s assertion that only RIGHT wingers engage in propaganda. LMAO.&quot;

Hey, afaik I didn&#039;t say that the result of a left winger producing a documentary wouldn&#039;t likely be propaganda, too. It&#039;s just that I&#039;m somehow more concerend about the right side&#039;s actions. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I love Grayâ€™s assertion that only RIGHT wingers engage in propaganda. LMAO.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, afaik I didn&#8217;t say that the result of a left winger producing a documentary wouldn&#8217;t likely be propaganda, too. It&#8217;s just that I&#8217;m somehow more concerend about the right side&#8217;s actions. <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: m. takhallus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44815</link>
		<dc:creator>m. takhallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray:

Um, dude?  It&#039;s not a science project.</description>
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<p>Um, dude?  It&#8217;s not a science project.</p>
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		<title>By: m. takhallus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44813</link>
		<dc:creator>m. takhallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gray:
Actually, we were there in spring of 2003 and what there is is a lot of footage of Europeans warning me that Iraq would be a disaster.  A lot of it makes me look rather silly.  

What we are after is good video.  In the first round of filming I had several people really stick a knife in me.  We actually love that stuff.  I&#039;ve considered using slo-mo to highlight the times I get nailed because, as we say in one of our tag lines, we believe in the combat of ideas.   If I were filming you and you made a good point that&#039;s what would get the clip included.  It&#039;s not about me, it&#039;s about the people we talk to, and about the issues, and hopefully a bit of wit and intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gray:<br />
Actually, we were there in spring of 2003 and what there is is a lot of footage of Europeans warning me that Iraq would be a disaster.  A lot of it makes me look rather silly.  </p>
<p>What we are after is good video.  In the first round of filming I had several people really stick a knife in me.  We actually love that stuff.  I&#8217;ve considered using slo-mo to highlight the times I get nailed because, as we say in one of our tag lines, we believe in the combat of ideas.   If I were filming you and you made a good point that&#8217;s what would get the clip included.  It&#8217;s not about me, it&#8217;s about the people we talk to, and about the issues, and hopefully a bit of wit and intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44812</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(although I cannot speak for the ones who are going to make it of course, but that&#039;s how I see it)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(although I cannot speak for the ones who are going to make it of course, but that&#8217;s how I see it)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44810</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Muslim hospital, ok, but then they should raise the funds by themselves.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, I agree.

Our laws should be changed in my opinion.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Imho if you want to do a real documentary, you should conduct polls in those countries first, and then chose the interviews accordingly, so that you can present an overview of the public opinion represented by real people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
nonsense. It&#039;s a documentary, not a poll filmed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Muslim hospital, ok, but then they should raise the funds by themselves.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, I agree.</p>
<p>Our laws should be changed in my opinion.</p>
<blockquote><p>Imho if you want to do a real documentary, you should conduct polls in those countries first, and then chose the interviews accordingly, so that you can present an overview of the public opinion represented by real people.</p></blockquote>
<p>nonsense. It&#8217;s a documentary, not a poll filmed.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44808</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Muslim hospital, ok, but then they should raise the funds by themselves. I wonder that this kind of public financing of a rligiously motivated project is legal under the constitution of the Netherlands.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is not (considered to be) unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Muslim hospital, ok, but then they should raise the funds by themselves. I wonder that this kind of public financing of a rligiously motivated project is legal under the constitution of the Netherlands.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is not (considered to be) unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44807</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And if the person will respond like Gray doesâ€¦ it will be put in the documentary as well, right?&quot;

Imho if you want to do a real documentary, you should conduct polls in those countries first, and then chose the interviews accordingly, so that you can present an overview of the public opinion represented by real people. This would result in a documentary with scientific value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if the person will respond like Gray doesâ€¦ it will be put in the documentary as well, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Imho if you want to do a real documentary, you should conduct polls in those countries first, and then chose the interviews accordingly, so that you can present an overview of the public opinion represented by real people. This would result in a documentary with scientific value.</p>
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		<title>By: Gray</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10347/making-a-documentary/comment-page-1/#comment-44806</link>
		<dc:creator>Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes, they want that in the Netherlands. Muslim hospital. Public funds.
Absolutely ridiculous.&quot;

Indeed. Muslim hospital, ok, but then they should raise the funds by themselves. I wonder that this kind of public financing of a rligiously motivated project is legal under the constitution of the Netherlands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes, they want that in the Netherlands. Muslim hospital. Public funds.<br />
Absolutely ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. Muslim hospital, ok, but then they should raise the funds by themselves. I wonder that this kind of public financing of a rligiously motivated project is legal under the constitution of the Netherlands.</p>
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