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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43671</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

   Paying them something to make them go away is one thing but it&#039;s really going to far lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>   Paying them something to make them go away is one thing but it&#8217;s really going to far lately.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Silver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43521</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Jason.  The government can help provide opportunity but not results.

As a CEO I appreciate the essential job the leader of a company provides. It is a RARE talent and art to navigate a company through intense competition and market changes and to protect it from failure.

President Bush is the CEO of the USA and we can see the extreme damage that can be done by poor judgment.  Wouldn&#039;t many people support paying him a hundred million dollars to just go away? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Jason.  The government can help provide opportunity but not results.</p>
<p>As a CEO I appreciate the essential job the leader of a company provides. It is a RARE talent and art to navigate a company through intense competition and market changes and to protect it from failure.</p>
<p>President Bush is the CEO of the USA and we can see the extreme damage that can be done by poor judgment.  Wouldn&#8217;t many people support paying him a hundred million dollars to just go away? <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43452</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, but the way to address that isn&#039;t to control CEO pay or try to make rich people be less rich.  The way to deal with it is to set up a decent safety net that includes retraining, education benefits, and basic health care assurances.

The problem I have with Ellen Goodman&#039;s approach is that the &quot;politics of envy&quot; just try to create class anger instead of coming at it from a problem-solving approach.

Then again, her job is to be an instigator, not a policymaker.  It&#039;s just important to remind people not to take apples-and-potatoes comparisons from op-ed pages at face value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, but the way to address that isn&#8217;t to control CEO pay or try to make rich people be less rich.  The way to deal with it is to set up a decent safety net that includes retraining, education benefits, and basic health care assurances.</p>
<p>The problem I have with Ellen Goodman&#8217;s approach is that the &#8220;politics of envy&#8221; just try to create class anger instead of coming at it from a problem-solving approach.</p>
<p>Then again, her job is to be an instigator, not a policymaker.  It&#8217;s just important to remind people not to take apples-and-potatoes comparisons from op-ed pages at face value.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

   I think the point is that all the risk is in the lower levels of the economy. If a CEO of a large company loses his job nowadays his severance package leaves him a multi-millionaire not counting what he received as salary and benefits while still employed. Many members of the lower economic classes don&#039;t even get a severance package anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>   I think the point is that all the risk is in the lower levels of the economy. If a CEO of a large company loses his job nowadays his severance package leaves him a multi-millionaire not counting what he received as salary and benefits while still employed. Many members of the lower economic classes don&#8217;t even get a severance package anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43443</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, T, I mean I can&#039;t see the link between the amount of a CEO&#039;s pay and the idea that somehow it harms the middle class.  This sort of comparison has always seemed to me a rhetorical red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, T, I mean I can&#8217;t see the link between the amount of a CEO&#8217;s pay and the idea that somehow it harms the middle class.  This sort of comparison has always seemed to me a rhetorical red herring.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43441</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We neednâ€™t kill the Golden Goose, but we should do much more to insulate average Americans against the most disruptive consequences of an increasingly volatile system.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That I can agree with.  I just reject the radical critiques of capitalism/globalization as being fundamentally non-responsive on the point of an alternative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We neednâ€™t kill the Golden Goose, but we should do much more to insulate average Americans against the most disruptive consequences of an increasingly volatile system.</p></blockquote>
<p>That I can agree with.  I just reject the radical critiques of capitalism/globalization as being fundamentally non-responsive on the point of an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: T Ratcliff</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43440</link>
		<dc:creator>T Ratcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link should have pointed to Ellen Goodman&#039;s column for Jan 12 2007, sorry about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link should have pointed to Ellen Goodman&#8217;s column for Jan 12 2007, sorry about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Clark</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43439</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A safety net is as important today as it ever was.

Globalization and market capitalism are producing great wealth, and that&#039;s a very good thing.  But in addition to  the accelerating income inequalities the system currently produces, accelerating personal insecurity is probably more threatening to most Americans.

An increasingly volatile global economy places average Americans at increasing risk of losing their jobs and their pensions and their health insurance.  These potentially catastrophic events lurk all to near for many families.  People rightly see themselves as vulnerable to forces beyond their effective control.  We needn&#039;t kill the Golden Goose, but we should do much more to insulate average Americans against the most disruptive consequences of an increasingly volatile system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A safety net is as important today as it ever was.</p>
<p>Globalization and market capitalism are producing great wealth, and that&#8217;s a very good thing.  But in addition to  the accelerating income inequalities the system currently produces, accelerating personal insecurity is probably more threatening to most Americans.</p>
<p>An increasingly volatile global economy places average Americans at increasing risk of losing their jobs and their pensions and their health insurance.  These potentially catastrophic events lurk all to near for many families.  People rightly see themselves as vulnerable to forces beyond their effective control.  We needn&#8217;t kill the Golden Goose, but we should do much more to insulate average Americans against the most disruptive consequences of an increasingly volatile system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t see the link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t see the link.</p>
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		<title>By: T Ratcliff</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43435</link>
		<dc:creator>T Ratcliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen Goodman has a contrasting view on this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/01/12/insulated_from_risk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
She takes the recent $210 million &quot;golden parachute&quot; for the CEO of Home Depot as a starting point to argue that risks have been shifted to the middle and working classes in the name of &quot;responsibility&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen Goodman has a contrasting view on this <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/01/12/insulated_from_risk/" rel="nofollow"><br />
She takes the recent $210 million &#8220;golden parachute&#8221; for the CEO of Home Depot as a starting point to argue that risks have been shifted to the middle and working classes in the name of &#8220;responsibility&#8221;.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43434</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No alternative system seems available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No alternative system seems available.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim S</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43424</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question about that system is that will it survive if the current tendencies towards greater economic inequality continue. If you can&#039;t afford college for your children or to further your own education in order to keep current skills necessary for the job market where is your faith in that system of opportunity? If the system continues to have large numbers of people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own and their new jobs pay significantly less than the ones they lost and there are long periods of unemployment between those jobs will the demand that the safety net be strengthened increase?

One thing about the end of the middle class jobs for relatively unskilled labor means is that if you must change careers it takes longer to acquire those skills than current unemployment benefits help people make it through. Will a new system of some kind be necessary that can help people avoid losing their homes while they spend one or two years in retraining? I don&#039;t see those questions being addressed by those who have faith in the existing system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question about that system is that will it survive if the current tendencies towards greater economic inequality continue. If you can&#8217;t afford college for your children or to further your own education in order to keep current skills necessary for the job market where is your faith in that system of opportunity? If the system continues to have large numbers of people who lose their jobs through no fault of their own and their new jobs pay significantly less than the ones they lost and there are long periods of unemployment between those jobs will the demand that the safety net be strengthened increase?</p>
<p>One thing about the end of the middle class jobs for relatively unskilled labor means is that if you must change careers it takes longer to acquire those skills than current unemployment benefits help people make it through. Will a new system of some kind be necessary that can help people avoid losing their homes while they spend one or two years in retraining? I don&#8217;t see those questions being addressed by those who have faith in the existing system.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43416</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 03:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a lot of people appreciate radical leftist rhetoric, and they hand that out for free on the sidewalks around campus....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a lot of people appreciate radical leftist rhetoric, and they hand that out for free on the sidewalks around campus&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Silver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43410</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People just don&#039;t appreciate something they get for free ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People just don&#8217;t appreciate something they get for free <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10264/freedom-means-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-43409</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, its a capitalist system, eh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, its a capitalist system, eh.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 02:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freedom is available only through the &lt;em&gt;Times Select&lt;/em&gt; Paid subscription?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom is available only through the <em>Times Select</em> Paid subscription?</p>
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