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		<title>By: Kim Ritter</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42322</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Ritter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not deny these comforts to our troops. They are sacrificing everything for Bush&#039;s folly. Why not focus attention on war planning that has been abysmal from the start? Decisions like disbanding the civil service and the Iraqi army, keeping Rumsfeld in place long after the military had voiced a no-confidence vote, choosing to ignore Shinseki&#039;s recommended troop levels for the invasion, relying heavily on a weak, unreliable PM who has governed by siding with Shiite factions, choosing politically connected,unqualified, greedy contractors to rebuild Iraq, supplying the Iraqi army with antiquated, Cold War-era weaponry, hyping unreliable intel, refusing to consider a post-occupation plan for Iraq because it smacked of &quot;nation-building&quot;, TAKE YOUR PICK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not deny these comforts to our troops. They are sacrificing everything for Bush&#8217;s folly. Why not focus attention on war planning that has been abysmal from the start? Decisions like disbanding the civil service and the Iraqi army, keeping Rumsfeld in place long after the military had voiced a no-confidence vote, choosing to ignore Shinseki&#8217;s recommended troop levels for the invasion, relying heavily on a weak, unreliable PM who has governed by siding with Shiite factions, choosing politically connected,unqualified, greedy contractors to rebuild Iraq, supplying the Iraqi army with antiquated, Cold War-era weaponry, hyping unreliable intel, refusing to consider a post-occupation plan for Iraq because it smacked of &#8220;nation-building&#8221;, TAKE YOUR PICK.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42292</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain and Webb send their kids to fight in the GWOT. Webb does so even though he opposes the handling of the war. Ledeen&#039;s daughter passes the idealogical test( Roe v. Wade??) administered by Mr. Kate OBeirn to make Iraq in the Wingnut image. Her qualifications - her daddy, not any real experience. Like Boot&#039;s article, Ledeen implies that our troops are soft and sip lattes. This from CHICKENHAWKS looking to fight weal enemies aka the Ledeen Doctrine. Unlike other wars the troopscannot do R+R with women and booze, let them have lattes and putt-putt golf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain and Webb send their kids to fight in the GWOT. Webb does so even though he opposes the handling of the war. Ledeen&#8217;s daughter passes the idealogical test( Roe v. Wade??) administered by Mr. Kate OBeirn to make Iraq in the Wingnut image. Her qualifications &#8211; her daddy, not any real experience. Like Boot&#8217;s article, Ledeen implies that our troops are soft and sip lattes. This from CHICKENHAWKS looking to fight weal enemies aka the Ledeen Doctrine. Unlike other wars the troopscannot do R+R with women and booze, let them have lattes and putt-putt golf.</p>
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		<title>By: nicrivera</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42242</link>
		<dc:creator>nicrivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t necessarily call this &quot;blaming the troops.&quot;  It&#039;s a little unclear to me, but given the context of the NRO article, it seems more likely to me that Ledeen is criticizing the field commanders for their tactics and not the troops per se:  

&lt;blockquote&gt;Their other excellent recommendation is to dramatically increase the number of embedded Coalition soldiers. And while weâ€™re at it, somebody should compel the sleepy defense ministry in Baghdad to pay the Iraqi troops. The discretionary funds in the hands of our field commanders can make up some of the slack, but that is totally improper. Maliki et. al. say they want sovereign authority. Fine. Let them act like a government and pay their employees.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Note that an increase in embeds doesnâ€™t necessarily require an increase in overall troop strength. Weâ€™ve got lots of soldiers sitting on megabases all over Iraq. They should be out and about, some of them embedded, others just moving around, tracking the terrorists, hunting them down. I donâ€™t know how many guys and gals are sitting in air-conditioned quarters and drinking designer coffee, but itâ€™s a substantial number. Enough of that.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Having said that, I have to disagree with the rest of Ledeen&#039;s article.  We&#039;re already stuck in a 4 year long war in Iraq with no end in sight, and he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; talking about having to &quot;go after&quot; Syria and Iran in this article, arguing that &quot;this is the ideal moment&quot; to do so.

I guess I shouldn&#039;t be all that suprised, given that this is the guy who gave us what Jonah Goldberg calls the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg042302.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ledeen Doctrine&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily call this &#8220;blaming the troops.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a little unclear to me, but given the context of the NRO article, it seems more likely to me that Ledeen is criticizing the field commanders for their tactics and not the troops per se:  </p>
<blockquote><p>Their other excellent recommendation is to dramatically increase the number of embedded Coalition soldiers. And while weâ€™re at it, somebody should compel the sleepy defense ministry in Baghdad to pay the Iraqi troops. The discretionary funds in the hands of our field commanders can make up some of the slack, but that is totally improper. Maliki et. al. say they want sovereign authority. Fine. Let them act like a government and pay their employees.</p>
<blockquote><p>Note that an increase in embeds doesnâ€™t necessarily require an increase in overall troop strength. Weâ€™ve got lots of soldiers sitting on megabases all over Iraq. They should be out and about, some of them embedded, others just moving around, tracking the terrorists, hunting them down. I donâ€™t know how many guys and gals are sitting in air-conditioned quarters and drinking designer coffee, but itâ€™s a substantial number. Enough of that.</p></blockquote>
<p>Having said that, I have to disagree with the rest of Ledeen&#8217;s article.  We&#8217;re already stuck in a 4 year long war in Iraq with no end in sight, and he&#8217;s <i>still</i> talking about having to &#8220;go after&#8221; Syria and Iran in this article, arguing that &#8220;this is the ideal moment&#8221; to do so.</p>
<p>I guess I shouldn&#8217;t be all that suprised, given that this is the guy who gave us what Jonah Goldberg calls the <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg042302.asp" rel="nofollow">Ledeen Doctrine</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42231</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi, if he&#039;s an idiot, show me where. I&#039;ll probably agree with you. But putting up a reasonable comment and twisting it into some ridiculous attack on his patriotism is something I was hoping I wouldn&#039;t see from liberals any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi, if he&#8217;s an idiot, show me where. I&#8217;ll probably agree with you. But putting up a reasonable comment and twisting it into some ridiculous attack on his patriotism is something I was hoping I wouldn&#8217;t see from liberals any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: m. takhallus</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42221</link>
		<dc:creator>m. takhallus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 04:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PatHMV is right: Ledeen may be an idiot but not on this point.  No one even remotely famailiar with the military (and Ledeen is) blames sergeants and corporals for where they are based or what they&#039;re doing.  Tell them to sit in a club and drink beer, they will, like sensible humans.  Tell them to charge into a hail of fire they&#039;ll do that, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PatHMV is right: Ledeen may be an idiot but not on this point.  No one even remotely famailiar with the military (and Ledeen is) blames sergeants and corporals for where they are based or what they&#8217;re doing.  Tell them to sit in a club and drink beer, they will, like sensible humans.  Tell them to charge into a hail of fire they&#8217;ll do that, too.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42202</link>
		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not being an apologist for him to correct what seems to me to be a misrepresentation of what he said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not being an apologist for him to correct what seems to me to be a misrepresentation of what he said.</p>
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		<title>By: ES</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42201</link>
		<dc:creator>ES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Leeden is wrong.&lt;/strong&gt;  

First of all, this is now either active units second or third time over in the box.  They are overly stretched to cover the ground with the &quot;whack-a-mole&quot; strategy being commanded to them because of lack of troops to do the job correctly.  

Secondly, not everyone has the skills to be infantry, military police, combat engineer, civil affairs, special forces, or whatever.  For someone really so smart, he sure does not know how forces are comprised.  There has to be someone to support the guys who are doing the daily patrols.  As the Bible says, not everyone can be the hands; while others are the arms, eyes, ears, and so forth.  

Thirdly, what he is also saying is against the law; though the envelope has been pushed lately (which is a good thing from my POV).  What he is saying is to send women in to combat positions.  Right now that is a no-no.  Cal Thomas and fellow Corner polemic Kate O&#039;Beirne (sp?) do not think that should be the case.  

What I am getting at with all three points is that he should send his daughter back to Iraq while wearing ACUs and carrying a rifle.  We need her over there, obviously she is not trained to be riding around Baghdad, and her being a female is not a hinderance for her to get into combat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Leeden is wrong.</strong>  </p>
<p>First of all, this is now either active units second or third time over in the box.  They are overly stretched to cover the ground with the &#8220;whack-a-mole&#8221; strategy being commanded to them because of lack of troops to do the job correctly.  </p>
<p>Secondly, not everyone has the skills to be infantry, military police, combat engineer, civil affairs, special forces, or whatever.  For someone really so smart, he sure does not know how forces are comprised.  There has to be someone to support the guys who are doing the daily patrols.  As the Bible says, not everyone can be the hands; while others are the arms, eyes, ears, and so forth.  </p>
<p>Thirdly, what he is also saying is against the law; though the envelope has been pushed lately (which is a good thing from my POV).  What he is saying is to send women in to combat positions.  Right now that is a no-no.  Cal Thomas and fellow Corner polemic Kate O&#8217;Beirne (sp?) do not think that should be the case.  </p>
<p>What I am getting at with all three points is that he should send his daughter back to Iraq while wearing ACUs and carrying a rifle.  We need her over there, obviously she is not trained to be riding around Baghdad, and her being a female is not a hinderance for her to get into combat.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42200</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His troop comments aside, we are currently overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistan, unable to consolidate a win in either.  He suggests, with probably the same tone he uses when ordering a pizza, that we add Syria and Iran to the theatre?   While I&#039;m with him that both countries are far more connected to terrorism than Iraq ever was, he seems to really not understand what all is involved in what he proposes.  It reminds me of generals who have lost it, moving around armies that don&#039;t exist on their big maps back at headquarters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His troop comments aside, we are currently overstretched in Iraq and Afghanistan, unable to consolidate a win in either.  He suggests, with probably the same tone he uses when ordering a pizza, that we add Syria and Iran to the theatre?   While I&#8217;m with him that both countries are far more connected to terrorism than Iraq ever was, he seems to really not understand what all is involved in what he proposes.  It reminds me of generals who have lost it, moving around armies that don&#8217;t exist on their big maps back at headquarters.</p>
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		<title>By: ES</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42199</link>
		<dc:creator>ES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leeden is wrong, though the comment is leveled at the commanders on the ground, but that does not mean everyone over in the box is an 11B and can do their job (which is exactly what he is saying needs to be done).  Two reasons why he is wrong - the &quot;gals&quot; are legally not to be in combat (you know what I mean), and secondly there has to be some people to provide support to those going out.  As the Bible says, not everyone can be the hand when there is also a need for an arm, ears, eyes, and so forth.  There are &quot;teeth&quot; and then there are &quot;tail&quot;.

The US Army and US Marines are now on finishing their second tours or starting their third tours in Iraq.  It is a little hypocritical to say &quot;I am not sure how many of you all are not doing your jobs, but it is substantial&quot;.  If he wants to complain about the plush lifestyle over there, then go after KBR for their cost-plus contract for their ability to make more money with more goods and services they can provide to the US military.

He is also a hypocrite to dictate how resources are to be used.  He is not in the US Army with a command.  His daughter was given a waiver for either a GS-15 or a senior executive position for her work at CPA right out of college.  A 15 position is an equivalent to a colonel position.  BTW, I wonder how much he would have stained his shorts if he had known someone was treating his daughter the way he wants to treat other people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leeden is wrong, though the comment is leveled at the commanders on the ground, but that does not mean everyone over in the box is an 11B and can do their job (which is exactly what he is saying needs to be done).  Two reasons why he is wrong &#8211; the &#8220;gals&#8221; are legally not to be in combat (you know what I mean), and secondly there has to be some people to provide support to those going out.  As the Bible says, not everyone can be the hand when there is also a need for an arm, ears, eyes, and so forth.  There are &#8220;teeth&#8221; and then there are &#8220;tail&#8221;.</p>
<p>The US Army and US Marines are now on finishing their second tours or starting their third tours in Iraq.  It is a little hypocritical to say &#8220;I am not sure how many of you all are not doing your jobs, but it is substantial&#8221;.  If he wants to complain about the plush lifestyle over there, then go after KBR for their cost-plus contract for their ability to make more money with more goods and services they can provide to the US military.</p>
<p>He is also a hypocrite to dictate how resources are to be used.  He is not in the US Army with a command.  His daughter was given a waiver for either a GS-15 or a senior executive position for her work at CPA right out of college.  A 15 position is an equivalent to a colonel position.  BTW, I wonder how much he would have stained his shorts if he had known someone was treating his daughter the way he wants to treat other people?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42192</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat - Please don&#039;t be an apoligist for Ledeen, he is a complete idiot. If you read his BS at NRO, you would see that with our victory in Iraq, he now wants an attack against Syria and Iran. I bet his daughter won&#039;t be in an AC hut fighting ALL the Ayrabs and Persians in the ME. I wish he would just choke on his own latte......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat &#8211; Please don&#8217;t be an apoligist for Ledeen, he is a complete idiot. If you read his BS at NRO, you would see that with our victory in Iraq, he now wants an attack against Syria and Iran. I bet his daughter won&#8217;t be in an AC hut fighting ALL the Ayrabs and Persians in the ME. I wish he would just choke on his own latte&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42191</link>
		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Kevin H. said. It&#039;s patently obvious that he is complaining that our commanders are not utilizing our troops effectively, not that the troops are lazy. You see, soldiers don&#039;t get to decide whether to sit around in the air conditioned base or not; that decision is made for them by their commanders. Ledeen&#039;s complaint is against the commanders, not the troops. And beyond that, the decision about how active our troops should be is ultimately made by generals and the President; Ledeen&#039;s complaint is directed against them, not the grunts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Kevin H. said. It&#8217;s patently obvious that he is complaining that our commanders are not utilizing our troops effectively, not that the troops are lazy. You see, soldiers don&#8217;t get to decide whether to sit around in the air conditioned base or not; that decision is made for them by their commanders. Ledeen&#8217;s complaint is against the commanders, not the troops. And beyond that, the decision about how active our troops should be is ultimately made by generals and the President; Ledeen&#8217;s complaint is directed against them, not the grunts.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin H</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/10173/whos-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-42186</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, that is all about commander strategy, not troop dedication. The brass have decided on this heavily centralized, isolated occupation structure, and I agree full heartidly that it needs to stop. We need troops speaking Arabic, becoming friends with Arabs and leading by example in helping the Iraqis develop a fair, open, and respectful society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, that is all about commander strategy, not troop dedication. The brass have decided on this heavily centralized, isolated occupation structure, and I agree full heartidly that it needs to stop. We need troops speaking Arabic, becoming friends with Arabs and leading by example in helping the Iraqis develop a fair, open, and respectful society.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a complete asshole. His daughter made six figures helpingnthe CPA to fuck up Iraq. What this idiot chickenhawk fails to realize is a majority of the troops are in support. Actual Marines and Army troops on patrol and kicking in doors is a minority. Max Boot wrote similar nonsense a while back. Why don&#039;t these chickenhawk sign up as Rangers like Pat Tillman instaed of writing how victory can be won from their office keyboards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a complete asshole. His daughter made six figures helpingnthe CPA to fuck up Iraq. What this idiot chickenhawk fails to realize is a majority of the troops are in support. Actual Marines and Army troops on patrol and kicking in doors is a minority. Max Boot wrote similar nonsense a while back. Why don&#8217;t these chickenhawk sign up as Rangers like Pat Tillman instaed of writing how victory can be won from their office keyboards.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that guy is an idiot.</description>
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