Comments on: Around The Sphere January 8, 2007 http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:49:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: CStanley http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41939 CStanley Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:00:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41939 Eural: "to produce a profit for another who acctually engaged in no labor whatsoever to produce the commercial product." Ah, management isn't labor at all, huh? And of course capital investment doesn't contribute anything at all, right? I'm not saying that capitalism is perfect by any means, but it beats any alternative that's ever been tried IMO. Sorry, but if the project managers weren't working their butts off, the construction laborers wouldn't just show up and all work like little ant colonies to get the building constructed. Ditto for any other industry you want to examine. I don't deny that some people profit unfairly and that exploitation doesn't take place, but taking the extreme view that the wealthy haven't earned their wealth in many cases is ridiculous. And besides: my point was that if you take the view that you are articulating, how can you possibly then not criticize Edwards hypocrisy for being part of the wealthy class while his rhetoric condemns people like himself? Eural:
“to produce a profit for another who acctually engaged in no labor whatsoever to produce the commercial product.”
Ah, management isn’t labor at all, huh? And of course capital investment doesn’t contribute anything at all, right? I’m not saying that capitalism is perfect by any means, but it beats any alternative that’s ever been tried IMO. Sorry, but if the project managers weren’t working their butts off, the construction laborers wouldn’t just show up and all work like little ant colonies to get the building constructed. Ditto for any other industry you want to examine. I don’t deny that some people profit unfairly and that exploitation doesn’t take place, but taking the extreme view that the wealthy haven’t earned their wealth in many cases is ridiculous.
And besides: my point was that if you take the view that you are articulating, how can you possibly then not criticize Edwards hypocrisy for being part of the wealthy class while his rhetoric condemns people like himself?

]]> By: Eural http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41904 Eural Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:13:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41904 So the wealthy don't make money off the labor of others? They just make their wealth which magically appears? Interesting view of economics...no one has to have his labor undervalued in order to produce a profit for another who acctually engaged in no labor whatsoever to produce the commercial product. The more the undervalue the greater the profit = the more the wealth. Hence the wealthy make their profit off of stealing the labor of the poor. And then writing laws and history books to legitamize and sanction their theft as a valuable contribution to our civilization. So the wealthy don’t make money off the labor of others? They just make their wealth which magically appears? Interesting view of economics…no one has to have his labor undervalued in order to produce a profit for another who acctually engaged in no labor whatsoever to produce the commercial product. The more the undervalue the greater the profit = the more the wealth. Hence the wealthy make their profit off of stealing the labor of the poor. And then writing laws and history books to legitamize and sanction their theft as a valuable contribution to our civilization.

]]> By: nicrivera http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41896 nicrivera Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:20:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41896 For a rich person to champion the poor is not hypocritical. But Edward's "Two America's" populism and repeated Walmart bashing seems pretty hypocritical in light of missteps like <a href="http://reason.com/news/show/116797.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>. For a rich person to champion the poor is not hypocritical. But Edward’s “Two America’s” populism and repeated Walmart bashing seems pretty hypocritical in light of missteps like this.

]]> By: CStanley http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41894 CStanley Mon, 08 Jan 2007 16:03:08 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41894 The reason that Edwards' hypocrisy is pointed out is because for decades, the Democratic party has fostered the (mostly) false notion that the wealthy class gets wealthy on the backs of the poor. If he were simply advocating policies to increase opportunities for more economic security and upward mobility of the lower classes, then his mulimillion dollar mansion wouldn't be a sign of hypocrisy. But because the Democratic mantra has been that the poor get poorer because of accrual of wealth by the priveleged few, Edwards deserves the criticism. It's also telling that Marc Daniels used the example of Benjamin Franklin and pointed out that Franklin bequeathed his wealth to Philadelphia. OK, so as soon as Edwards does the same, then I'll agree that this comparison is apt. The reason that Edwards’ hypocrisy is pointed out is because for decades, the Democratic party has fostered the (mostly) false notion that the wealthy class gets wealthy on the backs of the poor. If he were simply advocating policies to increase opportunities for more economic security and upward mobility of the lower classes, then his mulimillion dollar mansion wouldn’t be a sign of hypocrisy. But because the Democratic mantra has been that the poor get poorer because of accrual of wealth by the priveleged few, Edwards deserves the criticism. It’s also telling that Marc Daniels used the example of Benjamin Franklin and pointed out that Franklin bequeathed his wealth to Philadelphia. OK, so as soon as Edwards does the same, then I’ll agree that this comparison is apt.

]]> By: Eural http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41890 Eural Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:48:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41890 I say the poor should put up their own candidates for public office if they want any changes made! I mean the rich have to dig into their pockets for a say in the system so why should the homeless and jobless get a free ride? It happens all the time in history - the poor are victimized by the system so the wealthy who benefit from the status quo peacefully step aside and make changes so they get less power and economic benefit and they give it to others out of the generosity of their hearts. Yeah, that Edwards - what a selfish demegogue. Isn't he a member of the populari party anyway? I say the poor should put up their own candidates for public office if they want any changes made! I mean the rich have to dig into their pockets for a say in the system so why should the homeless and jobless get a free ride? It happens all the time in history – the poor are victimized by the system so the wealthy who benefit from the status quo peacefully step aside and make changes so they get less power and economic benefit and they give it to others out of the generosity of their hearts. Yeah, that Edwards – what a selfish demegogue. Isn’t he a member of the populari party anyway?

]]> By: Brian http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41886 Brian Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:33:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41886 Regarding Edwards as defender of the poor, I agree it doesn't make him hypocritical, but I do think he needs to acknowledge it beyond the simple "my Daddy was a mill-worker." You don't need to be in a car wreck to know that solid brakes are a good idea, and you don't need to be poor to understand how poverty hurts this country. What Edwards needs to do is make his case strongly rather than spouting the standard line. Regarding Edwards as defender of the poor, I agree it doesn’t make him hypocritical, but I do think he needs to acknowledge it beyond the simple “my Daddy was a mill-worker.” You don’t need to be in a car wreck to know that solid brakes are a good idea, and you don’t need to be poor to understand how poverty hurts this country. What Edwards needs to do is make his case strongly rather than spouting the standard line.

]]> By: CStanley http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41884 CStanley Mon, 08 Jan 2007 14:09:07 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41884 "I go to Home Depot but everytime I do, I’m board." Heh, if there's a contest for cringeworthy puns, you've <i>nailed</i> it with that one, Joe. “I go to Home Depot but everytime I do, I’m board.”
Heh, if there’s a contest for cringeworthy puns, you’ve nailed it with that one, Joe.

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41871 Gray Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:46:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41871 Test Lobbyist Spinmeister Lawyer Consultant Mercennary Columnist Spokesperson Tax collector Creditor Strange - only 'b00ker' seems to be regarded here as an obscene job... Test

Lobbyist
Spinmeister
Lawyer
Consultant
Mercennary
Columnist
Spokesperson
Tax collector
Creditor

Strange – only ‘b00ker’ seems to be regarded here as an obscene job…

]]> By: Gray http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41868 Gray Mon, 08 Jan 2007 11:07:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41868 Nice linkfest, Joe, but don't expect many comments until you fixed the filter of the comment engine. It's a myour annoyance. The list of censored words seems to be a bit, uh, arbitrary. And you don't even get a feedback about what went wrong. The comment simply doesn't show up. If you don't trust commenters to use decent language, better disable comments once and for all, instead of exposing visitors to this charade. It's a total pain in the derriere. :-| Nice linkfest, Joe, but don’t expect many comments until you fixed the filter of the comment engine. It’s a myour annoyance. The list of censored words seems to be a bit, uh, arbitrary. And you don’t even get a feedback about what went wrong. The comment simply doesn’t show up.
If you don’t trust commenters to use decent language, better disable comments once and for all, instead of exposing visitors to this charade. It’s a total pain in the derriere.
:-|

]]> By: Larry Bernard http://themoderatevoice.com/10131/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-41847 Larry Bernard Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:21:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/08/uncategorized/around-the-sphere-january-8-2007/#comment-41847 Ok on some of these subjects Ron Paul is only a republican to get on the ballot. He tried to run as a libertarian, was told no and he ran as a republican and as a product of Florida schools... they have ways around the 120 in gifted programs anyway (which are used) Ok on some of these subjects

Ron Paul is only a republican to get on the ballot. He tried to run as a libertarian, was told no and he ran as a republican

and as a product of Florida schools… they have ways around the 120 in gifted programs anyway (which are used)

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