Comments on: Toys-R-Us and the Immigration Debate http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:08:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Kamiilllla http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-43426 Kamiilllla Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:15:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-43426 I think this is not fair Toys r us are stupid assholes because the prize was for the baby not for a mother who is illegal!!!Baby is legal so it should get a prize!!!! I think this is not fair Toys r us are stupid assholes because the prize was for the baby not for a mother who is illegal!!!Baby is legal so it should get a prize!!!!

]]> By: Gene http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-42204 Gene Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:43:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-42204 The law as it stands says the baby is a citizen award her the money then DEPORT THE ILEGAL MOTHER AND FATHER IF YOU CAN FIND THEM. I UNDERSTAND THEY CAN"T BE FOUND NOW. The law as it stands says the baby is a citizen award her the money then DEPORT THE ILEGAL MOTHER AND FATHER
IF YOU CAN FIND THEM. I UNDERSTAND THEY CAN”T BE FOUND NOW.

]]> By: Kevin H http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-42164 Kevin H Tue, 09 Jan 2007 23:19:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-42164 sorry, i'm just using this to test how the codes work as we no longer have a preview button /<b> do '/' negate tags? </b> this is a quote? sorry, i’m just using this to test how the codes work as we no longer have a preview button

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]]> By: Upinsmoke http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41829 Upinsmoke Mon, 08 Jan 2007 02:27:48 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41829 I've thought about that law and I personally think its time to change the law. Any baby born on American soil and has parents that are both non citizens should NOT be considered AMerican citizens. This law is like a Microsoft Virus. It needs a cure and left unchecked it runs out of control. The Baby is a citizen of the country in which its parents are citizens. Period. I’ve thought about that law and I personally think its time to change the law. Any baby born on American soil and has parents that are both non citizens should NOT be considered AMerican citizens. This law is like a Microsoft Virus. It needs a cure and left unchecked it runs out of control. The Baby is a citizen of the country in which its parents are citizens. Period.

]]> By: China Law Blog http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41811 China Law Blog Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:47:00 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41811 Doesn't anyone think it really weird that Toys R Us put on such a strange contest in the first place? And why should Toys R Us be making a statement either way on this issue? Doesn’t anyone think it really weird that Toys R Us put on such a strange contest in the first place? And why should Toys R Us be making a statement either way on this issue?

]]> By: Michael van der Galien http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41788 Michael van der Galien Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:03:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41788 The kid doesn't get the money because they (its parents) didn't fulfill pass the rules. The mother should be a legal resident, she is not thus... Not Toys R Us's fault. About the baby: indeed, it is now an American citizen (Ius Solis). It's the soil for Americans, that determines one's nationality, not 'blood'. In the netherlands this is different... anyway, Joe Mc. they cannot kick the baby out. The baby is an American citizen. Your rules for <em>centuries already</em>. The kid doesn’t get the money because they (its parents) didn’t fulfill pass the rules. The mother should be a legal resident, she is not thus…

Not Toys R Us’s fault.

About the baby: indeed, it is now an American citizen (Ius Solis). It’s the soil for Americans, that determines one’s nationality, not ‘blood’.

In the netherlands this is different… anyway, Joe Mc. they cannot kick the baby out. The baby is an American citizen.

Your rules for centuries already.

]]> By: uncle joe mccarthy http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41776 uncle joe mccarthy Sun, 07 Jan 2007 21:27:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41776 give the kid a toy and then kick the whole lot of them out of the country give the kid a toy and then kick the whole lot of them out of the country

]]> By: carpeicthus http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41761 carpeicthus Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:18:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41761 It's the rules. We can feel bad for the baby, or we can feel happy for the other baby who was also born at midnight, and will now win it. It’s the rules. We can feel bad for the baby, or we can feel happy for the other baby who was also born at midnight, and will now win it.

]]> By: CStanley http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41759 CStanley Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:09:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41759 The article states that the contest rules stipulated that the winning baby's MOTHER had to be a legal resident, so all other discussion is moot IMO. As Lynx mentioned, Toys R Us has the legal right to create any rules that they wish, and they then have an obligation not to change the rules after the fact. Of course from a PR standpoint, they may regret this (or not: who knows whether the flak would have been greater if they had awarded to the child of an illegal immigrant or not). But having set the rules as they did, they made the right decision to honor the rules. The article states that the contest rules stipulated that the winning baby’s MOTHER had to be a legal resident, so all other discussion is moot IMO. As Lynx mentioned, Toys R Us has the legal right to create any rules that they wish, and they then have an obligation not to change the rules after the fact. Of course from a PR standpoint, they may regret this (or not: who knows whether the flak would have been greater if they had awarded to the child of an illegal immigrant or not). But having set the rules as they did, they made the right decision to honor the rules.

]]> By: Hannah http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41757 Hannah Sun, 07 Jan 2007 20:05:50 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41757 If it was truly in the "fine print" of the guidelines of the contest, of course Toys R Us has every right to deny the prize to this baby. They are a privately owned company, and can do whatever they please, as you pointed out. And I think that they did choose the right course of action considering the circumstances: from a PR standpoint, it would have looked really bad if they had given the prize to a baby whose mother immigrated illegally. However, I don't know whether the contest's guidelines were completely fair. Afterall, the constitution states that any baby born on American soil is automatically a US citizen. It applies to children born to either legal or illegal residents. But, since the contest's guidelines didn't take this into account, Toys R Us were perfectly within their rights to deny the prize to this baby. If it was truly in the “fine print” of the guidelines of the contest, of course Toys R Us has every right to deny the prize to this baby. They are a privately owned company, and can do whatever they please, as you pointed out. And I think that they did choose the right course of action considering the circumstances: from a PR standpoint, it would have looked really bad if they had given the prize to a baby whose mother immigrated illegally.

However, I don’t know whether the contest’s guidelines were completely fair. Afterall, the constitution states that any baby born on American soil is automatically a US citizen. It applies to children born to either legal or illegal residents. But, since the contest’s guidelines didn’t take this into account, Toys R Us were perfectly within their rights to deny the prize to this baby.

]]> By: John Swisher http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41755 John Swisher Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:59:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41755 I acknowledge that the mother is at fault for illegally immigrating to the U.S. and in some regard the issue of the baby receiving the money should be moot since the mother is an illegal alien. However, babies born in the U.S. are considered U.S. citizens regardless of the status of their parents. Such babies are often referred to as "anchor children" since their birth often enables their parents to become citizens faster. In short, I believe that technically the baby is entitled to the money since it is a legal citizen of the U.S., regardless of the status of its parents. However, ultimately the contest is controlled by Toys'R'Us, so it alone should determine whether the baby gets the prize and it should be a matter of purely philosophical debate, not legal. I acknowledge that the mother is at fault for illegally immigrating to the U.S. and in some regard the issue of the baby receiving the money should be moot since the mother is an illegal alien. However, babies born in the U.S. are considered U.S. citizens regardless of the status of their parents. Such babies are often referred to as “anchor children” since their birth often enables their parents to become citizens faster. In short, I believe that technically the baby is entitled to the money since it is a legal citizen of the U.S., regardless of the status of its parents. However, ultimately the contest is controlled by Toys’R'Us, so it alone should determine whether the baby gets the prize and it should be a matter of purely philosophical debate, not legal.

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/10121/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/comment-page-1/#comment-41744 Lynx Sun, 07 Jan 2007 19:02:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/2007/01/07/law-legal-matters/toys-r-us-and-the-immigratio-ndebate/#comment-41744 Well there's a first time for everything I suppose, and I'm glad to finally be able to agree with you on something, Andrew. Certainly it's not the babies fault that her mother is illegal, but it IS her mother's fault. She's in the US, benefiting from American laws and services, while there is potentially another Chinese woman languishing in China while she waits to be able to leave legally. Hell, American law even means that she can have as many babies as she wants. If this baby GIRL had been born in China, maybe the outcome would have been very different. Toys'R'US is a company, if they want to make a contest that only gives the prize to the first baby born that has at least 3 generations of Americans they can. If they wanted to give the prize to the first baby born from immigrants they could AND they would have gotten no trouble for it, BTW. Well there’s a first time for everything I suppose, and I’m glad to finally be able to agree with you on something, Andrew. Certainly it’s not the babies fault that her mother is illegal, but it IS her mother’s fault. She’s in the US, benefiting from American laws and services, while there is potentially another Chinese woman languishing in China while she waits to be able to leave legally. Hell, American law even means that she can have as many babies as she wants. If this baby GIRL had been born in China, maybe the outcome would have been very different.

Toys’R'US is a company, if they want to make a contest that only gives the prize to the first baby born that has at least 3 generations of Americans they can. If they wanted to give the prize to the first baby born from immigrants they could AND they would have gotten no trouble for it, BTW.

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