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I believe that irony is the fulcrum of our lives..as such I embrace the irony that a Wizbang link led me here..
It is and has always been a matter of equality..Remember we have had slaves longer in North America longer than we have not had them…My daughter and son are 25 and 22..by they time their generation assumes power..this will not be an issue…
“My daughter and son are 25 and 22..by they time their generation assumes power..this will not be an issue…”
As it should be, however, I sadly still believe it will be. Why? Just like you, they are raising their children with their believes. Also, there seem to be more of them than there are of us.
I don’t know what the poll numbers are. However, my recollection was that pro-gay marriage legislators have been trouncing (and anti-gay marriage legislators have been getting trounced) in Massachusetts election races since the Goodridge decision. So that’s what I’m basing my optimism on.
David, At least if it’s put to a vote it will be the people of MA who decide whether to re-define marriage, rather than a panel of unelected judges. Goodridge is a minority view among courts in this country.
If a state or society is to create new fundamental rights, then it is the people who should create them. That’s what is good about this vote.
Dean: speaking for myself … if i’m wrong and the measure fails, I will be disappointed. No, strike that … I will be *angry*, and deeply and bitterly resentful.
But i’ll know that the people have spoken, and as a democrat, I’m bound to abide by that for now, and come back in a decade and try to persuade them again.
It strikes me that this is the civil rights struggle of our time. First women’s rights, then African-American, now gay rights. I feel that legally every American is guaranteed the same rights by our Constitution. The majority should not be allowed to discriminate against the minority. Society is not threatened by this-no matter what the religious right tells us. By offering civil unions or marriage rights for gays, we will be telling the world that we are strong enough to be tolerant of all. Our fears only weaken us and allow us to act like bigots.
Remember the argument against allowing gays into the military?? General Shalikashvili- who adamantly opposed the policy because he thought it would hurt troop morale and recruitment and undermine the cohesiveness of combat units wrote an editorial in yesterday’s NYT’s admitting that he was wrong.
And if it doesn’t win?
You should consider it.
I believe that irony is the fulcrum of our lives..as such I embrace the irony that a Wizbang link led me here..
It is and has always been a matter of equality..Remember we have had slaves longer in North America longer than we have not had them…My daughter and son are 25 and 22..by they time their generation assumes power..this will not be an issue…
“My daughter and son are 25 and 22..by they time their generation assumes power..this will not be an issue…”
As it should be, however, I sadly still believe it will be. Why? Just like you, they are raising their children with their believes. Also, there seem to be more of them than there are of us.
David, let’s assume that this makes it to the ’08 ballot. What are the poll numbers looking like? Does it look like it may pass or fail?
I don’t know what the poll numbers are. However, my recollection was that pro-gay marriage legislators have been trouncing (and anti-gay marriage legislators have been getting trounced) in Massachusetts election races since the Goodridge decision. So that’s what I’m basing my optimism on.
David, At least if it’s put to a vote it will be the people of MA who decide whether to re-define marriage, rather than a panel of unelected judges. Goodridge is a minority view among courts in this country.
If a state or society is to create new fundamental rights, then it is the people who should create them. That’s what is good about this vote.
Dean: speaking for myself … if i’m wrong and the measure fails, I will be disappointed. No, strike that … I will be *angry*, and deeply and bitterly resentful.
But i’ll know that the people have spoken, and as a democrat, I’m bound to abide by that for now, and come back in a decade and try to persuade them again.
It strikes me that this is the civil rights struggle of our time. First women’s rights, then African-American, now gay rights. I feel that legally every American is guaranteed the same rights by our Constitution. The majority should not be allowed to discriminate against the minority. Society is not threatened by this-no matter what the religious right tells us. By offering civil unions or marriage rights for gays, we will be telling the world that we are strong enough to be tolerant of all. Our fears only weaken us and allow us to act like bigots.
Remember the argument against allowing gays into the military?? General Shalikashvili- who adamantly opposed the policy because he thought it would hurt troop morale and recruitment and undermine the cohesiveness of combat units wrote an editorial in yesterday’s NYT’s admitting that he was wrong.
I’m not terribly excited about the good prospects of the measure, but this is a democracy so I wouldn’t do anything to stop it.
One day laws like this will be mentioned right beside Jim Crow laws in the history books.